Russian spoon

[niceguy1]

HI

What information can you give me about these hallmarks? Ak, 1890, 84 & city mark.

thanks

[Goldstein]

Hi niceguy -

a sharp photo would help!

Looks like Reval - but too blurry to be sure.

Regards
Goldstein

[Qrt.S]

Senseless fantasy marking (read fake!)

[Ubaranda]

Hello!
This is Minsk. This coat of arms was approved in 1878, but began to be used as an town mark since 1890.
Perhaps the maker is A.Kreindel' (А.Крейндель).
Regards.

[Goldstein]

Hi Ubaranda -

thank you for the valuable informations!

Regards
Goldstein

[Qrt.S]

This is interesting. The marking is not according to the regulations. The fineness mark has no notches (should have after 1882) and there is no assayer's mark just a year, but as Ubaranda states....It is also notable that in 1890thies there was no assay office in Minsk. Ivan Chertenkov left after 1878---

[Ubaranda]

....It is also notable that in 1890thies there was no assay office in Minsk. Ivan Chertenkov left after 1878---

It's wrong. The assay office in Minsk existed until 1896. From 1882 until the closure of the assay office, the assayer was Artemiy Stepanov.
Ivan Chertenkov never worked in Minsk. From 1866 to 1883 he was the assayer at Kamenetz-Podolskiy.
Your mistake was caused by the fact that in a certain period of time in Minsk and in Kamenetz-Podolskiy there was the same town mark - two-headed eagle.
Regards.

[Goldstein]

Hi Ubaranda -

I really appreciate your contributions, which are supported by meaningful images and sources! I would appreciate it very much if we hear more from you! Many thanks!

Regards
Goldstein

[Goldstein]

Hi Qrt.S -

Senseless fantasy marking (read fake!)

I love your bizarre expertise, your persistent "I know it all" and your confused writing style. Please stay as you are - never doubt yourself!

Regards
Goldstein

[niceguy1]

HI ALL

I should have this set (as well as the other one i posted) in hand in a few weeks & will be able to post clearer pics.

Thanks for sharing your opinions.

[Qrt.S]

@Ubaranda,
Thank you for the valuable information. By time more and more pieces in the Russian silver jigsaw fall into their places.

[Qrt.S]

@Ubaranda
One more question, if you don't mind. In Postnikova Minsk is a mess that we all know. However, there are some other assayers mentioned there, among those Frolov, Uchatov and Sorokin. Is this correct or incorrect?
Thank you in advance.

[Ubaranda]

@Ubaranda
One more question, if you don't mind. In Postnikova Minsk is a mess that we all know. However, there are some other assayers mentioned there, among those Frolov, Uchatov and Sorokin. Is this correct or incorrect?
Thank you in advance.

Hello!
Information about Frolov and Ushatov is correct. Unfortunately, I have no information about Sorokin.
By the way, on the shown pictures the mark Б.Т belongs to the famous Minsk maker Borukh Topaz (Борух Топаз).
Regards.

[Qrt.S]

@Ubaranda
Thank you very match. Do you possibly have the working period and forenames of Frolov and Ushatov...H, Nikolai? In Postinokva Ushatov's forenames are Aleksandr Vasilyevich...HY on the mark???

Matvei Sorokin in Minsk is mentioned in Postnikova #1896. However, as said Minsk is a mess in P, but correct or not?

[Dad]

Hello!
Information about Frolov and Ushatov is correct.

Hi. Tell me, please. Where you took information about Frolov and Ushatov?

[Ubaranda]

@Ubaranda
Thank you very match. Do you possibly have the working period and forenames of Frolov and Ushatov...H, Nikolai? In Postinokva Ushatov's forenames are Aleksandr Vasilyevich...HY on the mark???

Matvei Sorokin in Minsk is mentioned in Postnikova #1896. However, as said Minsk is a mess in P, but correct or not?

Yes, the name of Ushatov is Nikolay. He worked in 1871 - 1874. Unfortunately I haven't accurate information regarding the period of work of Frolov.

Qrt.S, especially for you I found the mark of Sorokin. The maker is Movsha Topaz (Мовша Топаз) - brother of Borukh Topaz.

Regards.

[Ubaranda]

Hi. Tell me, please. Where you took information about Frolov and Ushatov?

Hello!
From various sources, one of which is your posts on Russian forums. Is this bad? :-)

[Dad]

No problem. Your right is use of all sources in open access.
I ask about other (various) sources, which you noted.

[Dad]

I can add that Matvei Sorokin never worked in the Minsk Assay Office.
Short time (1874-1877) assayer Matvei Sergeyev worked in Minsk Assay Office (after Yaroslavl) .

[Ubaranda]

No problem. Your right is use of all sources in open access.
I ask about other (various) sources, which you noted.

Dad, many thanks for very useful information!