Help with Identification

[redfoxcox]

Can anyone tell me what the town mark and who the maker is please ?
https://imgur.com/HHTWFhE

[dognose]

Hi,

Please embed your images.

Trev.

[Goldstein]

Hi redfoxcox -

I am glad I could do your work !

Here is your photo.....




The townmark is Moscow.
The maker´s mark is crippelt, there are 3 letters!
Maker: Ovtschinnikoov, Ivan Ivanowitsch


Regards
Goldstein

[redfoxcox]

Many thanks for your help.

[Qrt.S]

The rules require you to show two pictures, one of the object an another of the marks. Please show a picture of the object, in other words; What is it?

[Goldstein]

Hi -

I think Rjumki!



Regards
Goldstein

[Juke]

Hi!

With only the photo of the marks including only some knowledge of the quality of engraving which can be seen at the rim of the photo which seem very mediocre I would estimate this would be some other master than Ovtschinnikov with the initial ии? Thereby the photo of the item is always important.

Regards,
Juke

[Goldstein]

Hi Juke -

In Russia were several Ovtschinnikovs - not all were famous or Court Supplier!




This maker made umong other things, "Serebrjanaja rjumka" - something like a shotglass - these were never very artful - just for dayly use.

I always try to substantiate my statements with photos from my extensive collection or excerpts from specialist books. You have to look and read!
Basic knowledge of Russian culture, Russian silver and the Russian language are simply necessary in a forum for Russian silver to have a say.
It is not fun to explain each post several times - until the last one understands it!

Regards
Goldstein

[Juke]

Hi!

I thought your own picture showed just general rjumka's of Russian silver by different makers but if you have them by the same maker as redfoxcox rjumka then you are correct with the maker.

I also wanted to differ the maker of this rjumka from the court supplier Ovtschinnikov which was some what notified in you post but just wanted to highlight that this maker has nothing to do with the court supplier firm.

Regards,
Juke

[Goldstein]

Hi Juke -

again:

I.I. Ovtschinnikov is not Pavel Ovtschinnikov (Court supplier) or his sons Mikail, Alexander, Pavel and Nikolai.
I.I. Ovtschinnikov stands for Iwan Iwanowitsch Ovtschinnikov. He is known for his rjumki. Ovtschinnikov is a common russian name. That it is a rjumka is my guess - I wrote: " I think..." Without photos you have to guess. The poor engraving, the poor quality....it must be something simple.
I showed several rjumki as example - not everybody knows what a rjumka is or how it looks.

What else can I do?

Regards
Goldstein