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Hallo,

I have here 2 Citty-Marks of Neustadt and Itzehoe (both in Schleswig-Holstein), which are not in the list of the German Citty Marks.
Than I have a Citty Mark, I dont know. It looks a little like Frankfurt / Oder but I`m not sure. May be, someone can help me.

kindly gegards,

Ringo

sorry Ringo,
In Rosenberg3 Band 1,2,3
I find no match.
Only the Mark Nr. 4326 have a description "ein Hahn"(a cock) - but there was no Image.
In "Markenzeichen auf Silber (Jan Divis)" - I also find no match.

It does look very much like Frankfurt a/O, but it's always a good idea to post the maker's mark as well. Very often only by pinpointing the maker can one definitively confirm the identification a city mark (and vice versa), particularly in the cases of smaller towns.

blakstone wrote:It does look very much like Frankfurt a/O, but it's always a good idea to post the maker's mark as well. Very often only by pinpointing the maker can one definitively confirm the identification a city mark (and vice versa), particularly in the cases of smaller towns.

Is the Frankfurt(Oder) cock not from right to left?

But You are right - the makers mark is a good point.

Generally yes, but there are some marks where the Frankfurt a/O rooster faces right; see Wolfgang Scheffler, Goldschmiede Mittel- und Nordost-Deutschlands (Berlin: Walter de Gruyter, 1980), pp. 41, marks 77 & 78.

The makers mark was deleted. His name was destroyed with a small Tremulierstich, so that he is not to identify.
(I wrote this message already some days ago, but it was deleted in the forum. I dont no why)

Hi Ringo,

Welcome to the Forum.

You did not post anything wrong, your message was lost because you posted when the site was closed for maintence. Thanks for reposting.

Regards Trev.

R ingo wrote:

I have seen this mark with the makers-mark R. or K. Beysen.
It was a spoon "Augsburger Faden" about from 1860

Thank You Theoderich,
it is absolutely the same mark of the cock.
Here is a photo of the destroyed makers mark from my spoon. But I think, that the name is not to identify.

Kind regards,
Ringo

I can't make out the obliterated mark, but it certainly could be "R. BEYSEN", in which case it is definitely Frankfurt a/O: Carl Ferdinand Rudolph Beysen (1818-1889), citizen in Frankfurt a/O in 1847.

Thank You blakstone
for Your help to identify the Frankfurt-Oder- townmark from ~1860, and the maker R.Beysen.

Hi,

Here are two pictures of Beysen's marks. "BEYSEN." and "R. BEYSEN"




Carl Ferdinand Rudolph Beysen, born in 1818 and in 1847 mentioned as a master and retailer (Goldwarengeschäft), He died in 1889. Ref. Scheffler Frankfurt an der Oder number 43.

Best regards/JAKJO

Hello JAKJO, blaksone and Theoderich,
I thank You all very much for Your help.

kind regards,
Ringo