Hallmark identification

[robkruijer]

Does anybody know this hallmark and can tell me something about it?
It's on cutlery and I actually do not even know if it's European.



THX

[admin]

Not at all sure, but the face mark is possibly a Breslau mark.

Tom

[JAKJO]

I agree with Tom, it looks like a Breslau face and if it is it would date the cutlery to mid 19th century.

Regards JAKJO

[Theoderich]

Not at all sure, but the face mark is possibly a Breslau mark.

Tom

I think it is not Breslau.
I have any Breslau silvermarks.
It dont look like this.

[Theoderich]

It dont look like this.

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/4bha-e.jpg

There is no Number of the year

[JAKJO]

Please take a look at this


http://www.agraart.pl/silver/index.php? ... 69&cnt=208

Best regards/JAKJO

[Theoderich]

Thanks

[Theoderich]

Now I have some pieces withe the same Bear-mark, an A, an Head and a Bird.
It have also the mark silvermark 835S and the mark of the german maker/seller Wilkens.

I dont believe, that this is a Breslau piece.

[Theoderich]

This item dont looks like a piece before 1888

[Theoderich]

This item dont looks like a piece before 1888

The Design seems to be from the Martin-Heinrich Wilkens time.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin-Heinrich_Wilkens

it is the Art Deco stil about 1920 -35

[JAKJO]

Hi,

I fully agree with you Theoderich, Wilkens is the manufacturer.
The fork has been imported to The Netherlands and has been assayed as foreign between 1906 --1953.

Perhaps the bear mark, the face and the bird mark are just pseudo marks. My hypothesis is that right after the first world war, the crescent and the crown (actually the German emperor´s crown) mark, was not a selling brand. But marks sell; the manufacturers of Hanau knew it and the electro-plate producers knew it as well. The Wilkens' trade mark and 835, wouldn't have looked that impressive in a country, where the buyers of silver were used to have many marks on their silver ware.

I have seen another fork from approximately the same time and exported to Holland, which was produced by the Bremer Silberwarenfabrik marked the Dutch "V", "BSF", the torch (trade mark of BSF) and a "Boar passant" -mark in a square.

Does this sound plausible as a possible explanation?

Best regards/JAKJO

[Theoderich]

Perhaps the bear mark, the face and the bird mark are just pseudo marks.

Hi JAKJO
I'm not sure - but I dont believe, that this are pseudo marks.
I have no overview what happens after the world war I with the silvermark standard.
I have some pieces of german silver after 1888 without crown and half-moon.

[Theoderich]

I think find the answer on this question
It seems to be Bern in Swizerland.
The mark on the spoon and the Arms of Bern are very similar

[Joerg]

Hi Theoderich

The fork in this post is from the early 20th century. In the mid 19th century the city marks in Switzerland came out of use. The bear looks indeed a bit like the one on silverware from Berne from the early 19th century, but still different.
I do not think the marking has something to do with the city of Berne. I think JAKO is right, these are pseudo marks.
Good luck on further research.

Jörg

[Theoderich]

Hi Joerg,
I got this Information from an other user.
It is not the townmark of Bern, but it is a makersmark of a Bern company.
The Company Pochon Fréres & Co used it from 1910-1920.

[Alice]

it is indeed pochon freres who used the berne wappe as their logo - pf was a very prestigious silversmiths serving the noble families of berne until the middle of the last century