13 Loth Snuff box
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
It is not the crown of a duke but of a count (Graf). Nine pearls.
For the maker AW let's wait for Theoderich.
For the maker AW let's wait for Theoderich.
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
Thank you, yes it should be count. I wonder if there would be any records of German/Austrain counts somewhere?silverfan wrote:It is not the crown of a duke but of a count (Graf). Nine pearls.
For the maker AW let's wait for Theoderich.
Jannie
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
Hi,
Try here:
https://www.heraldik-wiki.de/wiki/Liste ... %E2%80%93M
The first page ends with letter M, then click for the next page:
Alphabetische Liste N bis Z in blue letters (N to Z).
Coat of arms (Wappen) are depicted on the right side.
Hoping you will get lucky; it is probably combined coat of arms by marriage.
(The list is about nobility in German speaking countries, meaning Austria, too).
Search and stay safe.
Regards
Try here:
https://www.heraldik-wiki.de/wiki/Liste ... %E2%80%93M
The first page ends with letter M, then click for the next page:
Alphabetische Liste N bis Z in blue letters (N to Z).
Coat of arms (Wappen) are depicted on the right side.
Hoping you will get lucky; it is probably combined coat of arms by marriage.
(The list is about nobility in German speaking countries, meaning Austria, too).
Search and stay safe.
Regards
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
Thank you very much. It was painfull, but went through it twice. It is theAG2012 wrote:Hi,
Try here:
https://www.heraldik-wiki.de/wiki/Liste ... %E2%80%93M
The first page ends with letter M, then click for the next page:
Alphabetische Liste N bis Z in blue letters (N to Z).
Coat of arms (Wappen) are depicted on the right side.
Hoping you will get lucky; it is probably combined coat of arms by marriage.
(The list is about nobility in German speaking countries, meaning Austria, too).
Search and stay safe.
Regards
Normann - Ehrenfels coats of arms. What I can see on internet is it is from Croatia and Slavonia or Mecklenburg, Germany.
Jannie
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
So I did some more digging. This box could have belong to Philipp Christian von Normann-Ehrenfels. He was made a count in 1806.
He died in 1817...can this box be that old?
More info about him:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp ... -Ehrenfels
Jannie
He died in 1817...can this box be that old?
More info about him:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp ... -Ehrenfels
Jannie
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
The Normann family extended their coat of arms next to the count's arms with the coat of arms of the extinct Ehrenfelser family, in blue three oblique left bars next to each other, the two outer ones red, the middle gold.
The description fits perfectly the hatching of right arms on the box. (I thought it was added by marriage).
It was a big family, therefore difficult to attribute the box to any particular member.
Regards
The description fits perfectly the hatching of right arms on the box. (I thought it was added by marriage).
It was a big family, therefore difficult to attribute the box to any particular member.
Regards
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
I don't think that the crown above the coat of arms may be used by members that are not the Graaf/Count, but I will need to do some more reading.AG2012 wrote:The Normann family extended their coat of arms next to the count's arms with the coat of arms of the extinct Ehrenfelser family, in blue three oblique left bars next to each other, the two outer ones red, the middle gold.
The description fits perfectly the hatching of right arms on the box. (I thought it was added by marriage).
It was a big family, therefore difficult to attribute the box to any particular member.
Regards
Jannie
Re: 13 Loth Snuff box
Open the page and scroll down to Notable family members:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normann_(Adelsgeschlecht)
Bekannte Familienmitglieder
Every member of the noble family was entitled to use coat of arms, not only the eldest son (unlike throne inheritance). Besides, it was not well legislated as expected, and therefore plethora of nobility (thousands of families across the continent).
Regards
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normann_(Adelsgeschlecht)
Bekannte Familienmitglieder
Every member of the noble family was entitled to use coat of arms, not only the eldest son (unlike throne inheritance). Besides, it was not well legislated as expected, and therefore plethora of nobility (thousands of families across the continent).
Regards