Augsburg vases(?) - 17th century?

[Biju]

Hey Everyone,
Any thoughts on whether this matched pair of "vases" (are they vases?) are 17th century Augsburg, and what is the second mark?

Thanks so much,
Biju

[AG2012]

Hi,
Small vases and definitively not 17th century Augsburg, but late 19th or early 20th century.
Almost 100% Hanau pseudo marks.
Regards

[Bahner]

Hello, agree, not old but quite modern. Not necessarily directly from Hanau, but certainly in that style. Regards, Bahner

[Biju]

Hi,
Small vases and definitively not 17th century Augsburg, but late 19th or early 20th century.
Almost 100% Hanau pseudo marks.
Regards

Thanks to both you and Bahner so much for lending your expertise. For my own development on this subject matter, can you both please elaborate on how you made this determination. Was it based solely on the construction/style of the objects or also something in the hallmarking which gives it away?

Thanks again,
Biju

[AG2012]

1.Both ``Augsburg acorn mark`` and what`s supposed to be maker's mark have nothing in common with well documented Augsburg marks.
2.Marks are always an integral part of the object (i.e.in harmony with the style, period and craftsmanship).The fact definitively not observed in this case.
3. The overall appearance of the vases points to historicism and rather modern production.
4. Practically zero odds for two identical vases with the same marks to survive together more than 300 years (if they really were that old).
5. Most of us gave up believing in miracles (``great finds`` in thrift shops and garage sales, naïve antique dealers we outsmarted in flea markets, important pieces offered online etc.)

All said, the vases are not old Augsburg, but most likely German (Hanau ?) with fantasy marks.
Btw.it would be interesting to determine exact composition of the silver alloy with electronic tester.

Regards

[Biju]

1.Both ``Augsburg acorn mark`` and what`s supposed to be maker's mark have nothing in common with well documented Augsburg marks.
2.Marks are always an integral part of the object (i.e.in harmony with the style, period and craftsmanship).The fact definitively not observed in this case.
3. The overall appearance of the vases points to historicism and rather modern production.
4. Practically zero odds for two identical vases with the same marks to survive together more than 300 years (if they really were that old).
5. Most of us gave up believing in miracles (``great finds`` in thrift shops and garage sales, naïve antique dealers we outsmarted in flea markets, important pieces offered online etc.)

All said, the vases are not old Augsburg, but most likely German (Hanau ?) with fantasy marks.
Btw.it would be interesting to determine exact composition of the silver alloy with electronic tester.

Regards

This is a very clear and logical explanation. Thank you so much for elaborating and sharing your expertise.
Regards,
Biju