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B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby oel » Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:36 am

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Christoph F. Sick Stuttgart


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Two statues made by B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau showing the characteristic Neresheimer mark N and the maker's mark of Christoph F. Sick Stuttgart.The third pseudo mark at first impression looks like the Swedish National mark (three crowns).


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Could this be clear evidence Neresheimer obtained old maker's marks of deceased masters? Are these early pseudo marks used 1893-1900?

Peter.

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby Bahner » Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:28 pm

Hi Peter, I don't think that such conclusions can be drawn from the marks we are seeing here. We have no way of telling whether the punches used here were newly cut or were the old ones. Thiele writes somewhere that punches freely changed hands between various Hanau companies to be used by other Hanau makers. I believe one of the reasons for that was to make it even more difficult to trace back one specific piece of Hanau silver to its maker or to date it. Regards, Bahner

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby oel » Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:08 am

Hi Bahner, thanks for the reply. If I understand you correct Hanau silversmith tried to avoid specific marks which could identify maker and production year. However to my knowledge this specific N and shield shape has been attributed only to Neresheimer and seen as Neresheimer maker's mark. Or was this specific N also used by other Hanau companies?



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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby AG2012 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:09 am

punches freely changed hands between various Hanau companies


Many examples prove that.Undoubtedly the same form and the same mold for casting but completely different Hanau marks.
Sometimes the maker can be traced but in most cases correct,serious and evidence based description would be:
``Hanau,late 19th or early 20th century``

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby AG2012 » Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:18 am

In this particular case, CSF mark:
The punch tool was probably collecting dust somewhere,then surfaced and freely used.
After all, I always wondered what happened to punches;thousands of them.Deceased or bankrupt silversmiths,assay offices collapsed during wars and revolutions.Let`s not be naive;most of those punches were never legally and officially destroyed.
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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby oel » Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:43 am

The Gothic N
Silberwarenmanufaktur
Dr. Herbert Bauer, Hanau


The Ludwig Neresheimer & Co company was founded in 1890, taken over by the Bauer family at the beginning of the last century and is still in their possession today.Since 1890, all articles have been handcrafted, which ensures a high quality standard. The long-term stability of value will always be given for handcrafted exhibits.

Each product is stamped with our house stamp, a Gothicized N, the silver purity, and the symbol for German craftsmanship.


https://www.neresheimer-silber.de/
https://www.goldschmiedehaus.com/de/neresheimer-silber

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Peter

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby Theoderich » Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:44 pm

oel wrote:https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52456

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Christoph F. Sick Stuttgart



it is to many time away, so I can not remember which objet it was. Possibly this was also an objekt of Neresheimer with a pseudo-Hallmark of Stuttgart.

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby Bahner » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:24 pm

Sorry, I should have been more precise. I was referring to the old maker's marks, not the Neresheimer-N. This was no doubt used by Neresheimer only. Just checked with an old catalogue of Nereheimer's (well, not really old, it is from 1985...): the statues are listed under No. 11805 (left) and 11806 a (right) and were reproduced from originals in the Hofkirche in Innsbruck, Austria. I suspect that the originals are actually bronze reliefs or rather details thereof from the tomb of Maximilian I. in that church. Another interesting piece of info from that catalogue: on the last pages are more details on some the originals, the original makers or cities of origin. Among others it mentiones a candle holder from Stuttgart, mark "CSF" (!), undoubtedly referring to the CFS Sick mark we see here. Regards, Bahner

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby Bahner » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:26 pm

btw. happy Independence Day to our North American friends ! B.

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Re: B. Neresheimer & Söhne Hanau

Postby oel » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Hi Bahner,

Hold the horses, you really made my day by mentioning Maximilian I. Today I found the long awaiting answers on Who are they? And yes made by Neresheimer;
King Arthur at Maximilian’s cenotaph in Hofkirche Innsbruck Austria
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Tomb of Maximilian I: King Arthur
c. 1513
Bronze, height 215 cm
Hofkirche, Innsbruck
In spite of the many concessions to the new spirit which was spreading across Europe at that time, Germany in the 16th century did not break with the medieval tradition. The native tendencies, given free play in the late Gothic style, were an excess of naturalism, sculptural dynamism and the thirst for expression, which were in complete contrast to the idealism, the sense of balance and the taste for harmony extolled by the neo-Platonists of the Renaissance. In many aspects Germany therefore remained faithful to the aesthetics and philosophy of the Middle Ages.
Significant in this respect was the attitude of the first Habsburgs to whom the Empire owed the revival of the old Germanic dream of universal monarchy. Maximilian, who was too impecunious to establish in stone the evidence of his glory, left to the engravers the task of celebrating his glorious deeds and illustrating his allegorical writing, completely imbued with past chivalry; his love of heroic chronicles permeates, too, the proud statues of the legendary kings of Theodoric the Goth and Arthur of Britain, figures cast in bronze by Vischer the Elder in the Venetian manner, during the Emperor's lifetime, to mount guard with his ancestors around his tomb at Innsbruck.
Although other artists acted as the principal bronze casters of life-sized ancestor figures for the unfinished, massive tomb ensemble of Emperor Maximilian I (d. 1519), Peter Vischer and his workshop produced two of the most striking figures, King Arthur and King Theodoric.

https://www.wga.hu/html_m/v/vischer/peter_e/arthur.html
King Arthur
Meet King Arthur (import London mark for 1925)
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And last but not least meet Mary of Burgundy Dutchess of Burgundy (import marks London 1928) she married Maximilian of Habsburg, who after her death became Maxim I, Holy Roman Emperor
Mary soon made her choice among the many suitors for her hand by selecting Archduke Maximilian of Habsburg of Austria, the future Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I, who became her co-ruler The marriage took place at Ghent on 19 August 1477. Mary's marriage into the House of Habsburg initiated two centuries of contention between France and the Habsburgs, a struggle that climaxed with the War of the Spanish Succession in the years 1701–1714.
In the Netherlands, affairs now went more smoothly; the French aggression was temporarily checked, and internal peace was in large measure restored.

Mary was born in Brussels as the only child of Charles the Bold and thus was his heir presumptive. At the age of 20, she became Duchess of Burgundy after the death of her father. To protect the Burgundian territories against her godfather Louis XI, Dauphin of France, Mary soon made her choice among the many suitors for her hand by selecting Archduke Maximilian of Austria, the future Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian I, who became her co-ruler. Maximilian was two years younger and the arranged marriage turned out to be a close and loving union. She gave birth to three children, Philip, Margaret and Francis. Mary loved riding and was hunting with Maximilian when her horse tripped, threw her in a ditch, and then landed on top of her, breaking her back. She died several weeks later at the early age of twenty-five, which is said to have broken Maximilian’s heart. Mary and Maximilian were only married for five years. After Maximilian’s death, his heart was buried in Mary’s grave. A love that continues after death.
Triptych revealing wedding proposal Maximilian to Mary of Burgundy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_of_Burgundy
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Maximilian & Mary
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Mary Of Burgundy
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It appears to me Neresheimer made a series of silver statues (smaller copies) of statues surrounding the cenotaph (empty tomb) of Maximilian I in Innsbruck.

Peter.


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