Help with maker and age

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Ubaranda
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Help with maker and age

Postby Ubaranda » Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:51 am

Hi all!
I guess city mark is Celle but who is maker and what age?
Thanks in advance!

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby Theoderich » Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:50 pm

Letter A is from 1722-1747
Maker Hinrich Alven,
born 1711
master 1740
+21.7.1780

ref. Scheffler, Goldschmiede Niedersachsens, p.260 #499 no31

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby Ubaranda » Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:22 pm

Hi Theoderich!
Many thanks for your quick useful reply!
Regards. Alex.

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby Hose_dk » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:04 am

the 24 should be the weight of the silver. What ig the weight in gram?

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby AG2012 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:52 am

351 gram ?

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby Hose_dk » Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:06 pm

I think you weigt is incorrect.
The correct weight is 352,9 gram.

The case is that silver = money. And items was used. And treasured. But they also represented value.
Therefor the silver smith made a note on the item. He wrote the weight in lod. Lod was the mesurement. 1 lod = 14,7 gram and 24 lod = 352,9 gram.

That is adding a new dimension to your item. Or did you already know?

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby Hose_dk » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am

Here is an example of mine
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It says 13 lod 1 qvint.
Weight 191 gram.

13 Lod = 191,2 gram

Kvint (0,00500 kg)
Lod silver (0,0147 kg)
Lod (0,01563 kg)

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby AG2012 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:47 pm

My conversion chart says one German (Prussian) Loth is 14,62 gram.
https://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/h ... =loth&v=24
Therefore 24 Loth is 350.8 gram.Not important difference, though.
Regards

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Re: Help with maker and age

Postby Hose_dk » Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:27 pm

Preussen conversion is not the right one either.

Wiki quate: In August 1714, George Elector of Hanover, Duke of Brunswick–Lüneburg (King George I) ascended to the British throne. Between then and 1866, when the town became Prussian during the Austro-Prussian War as part of the province of Hanover, Celle was a possession of the British Hanoverian line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celle

But you are right - lod should be the same, but no definite standard. I used the Danish and that was not correct, but the one I had.
However the lod is almost the same, as it represented value. But many local measurements make it difficult.


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