Snuff box or bon bon box, London

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jobbanobba
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Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby jobbanobba » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:21 am

Hi All,

I found a lovely box in an antique store. The seller only told me that the box was manufactured in Great Britain, nothing else... I was aware of the lion and leopard's head hallmark at the time of purchase, so I bought it.

Meanwhile I believe that I have identified century with help of a book. As per my findings it has been made in the 16th or 17th century. The book I used: "Silberstempel aus aller Welt", translated: "Silver hallmarks from all over the world".

The box itself:
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The hallmarks:
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The hallmark in between lion passant and leopard's head is the one that confuses me... what is it? Snake? Dragon?

Would be great if someone could help!

Thanks so much & greetings from Germany

Werner

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby Sasropakis » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:30 am

The hallmarks are so called Hanau pseudo hallmarks: https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html
To the item is not from Great Britain but it's made in Germany probably in the end of the 19th or in the beginning of the 20th century.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby Sasropakis » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:41 am

Here's an article about Hanau silver if you want to know more about the background: https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau.html
So basically silver items were made in historical style so they often look older than they are and the hallmarks also remind the "genuine" ones like in this case the lion passant and leopards head used in London. They are not "fake" items as usually it's rather easy to distinguish the hallmarks and they weren't really made to deceive people.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby jobbanobba » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:42 am

Thanks so much, even if this is quite disappointing... in regards of origin of the box.

However, I always wanted to own a silver item from Hanau because it is only 30 km away from where I live!!! What a coincidence...

So, I am really happy after all.

Thanks again!

Werner

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby Sasropakis » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:26 am

I'm glad to hear that you aren't too disappointed. Historicist or revival style items from 19th century can sometimes be quite tricky as it's not so easy to distinguish them from the items they try to imitate. And it gets more complicated when the pseudo hallmarks try to imitate the real ones. But those items like Hanau silver have their own place in history though.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby gsmoggy » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:36 am

Hi members
I would like to know why i cannot see the image of the box?

Regards Guido.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby AG2012 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:36 am

Me neither.
imageshack.com requires login or sign up I suppose.
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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby Sasropakis » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:33 am

I can see the photos (obviously as I was able to answer the question) and I'm not using imageshack.com so it can't be about the login to that service. But when I opened the thread in Firefox private mode (wasn't logged in to the forum then) I couldn't see the photos. Quite odd...

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby dognose » Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:50 pm

I also cannot see the images. I am currently using Google Chrome.

Trev.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby user701 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:09 am

I cannot see them either Trev, using Firefox.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby gsmoggy » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:07 am

hello re mystery box,is it possible to load new images?
that maybe the answer.
Regards Guido.

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Re: Snuff box or bon bon box, London

Postby Sasropakis » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:56 am

The OP has probably removed the photos from imageshack.com. I can still see them when using Firefox probably because they are in my browser cache but not if I'm using Chrome or Firefox private mode. Also the direct link leads to imageshack front page if I copy it to another browser. But anyhow the hallmarks are those of Gebrüder Dingeldein shown in the first entry of the Hanau pseudo hallmarks page so it's a pretty clear case.


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