Please help identify silver hallmark on Silver bowl

[Gerox]

Hello All,
There is a nice Silver bowl

I recognize the city mark of Nürnberg and the master mark of Wolfgang Rößler
(Meister seit 1682, gest. 1717) vgl. Nürnberger Goldschmiedekunst, Bd. 1. MZ 0739a. ABB.B 58
At the bottom I find an English import mark, difficult to recognize.

These types are, however, typical for the time from 1867 onwards.

Is it possible that a bowl made in 1700 is imported 150 years later?
Can someone tell me something about the English import mark?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Gerox

[dognose]

Hi Gerox,

Is it Nürnberg, or a Hanau reproduction?

http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html

Trev.

[AG2012]

Hi,
It was made by Weinranck and Schmidt, Hanau, not earlier than end 19th century.
Take a look here, scroll down, very distinctive ``three leaves ``mark (upside down) beside `` Nuernberg``, often used in combination with other pseudo marks, ``Augsburg`` etc.
http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html
Regards

[Gerox]

Hi Gerox,

Is it Nürnberg, or a Hanau reproduction?

http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html

Trev.

Hi dognose, Hi AG2012,

Thank you for the info.
I'm pretty sure it's Nürnberg and not a Hanau reproduction.
It is not the grape which was often used by Weinranck and Schmidt or an other pseudo marks, ``Augsburg``
The master mark is clearly a flower, identical to the master mark of Wolfgang Rößler, vgl. Nürnberger Goldschmiedekunst, Bd. 1. MZ 0739a. ABB.B 58
There is also no further mark on the bowl except for the import mark and that is the problem which I can’t resolve.

Best regards
Gerox

[AG2012]

Hi,
It was imported to London from 1896 (with ``a`` starting in this particular background) and 1904 when import marks changed.
The following sequence of marks can be seen elsewhere: 1. Lion passant 2. Date letter 3. ``F`` for foreign 4. Leopard`s head
Meaning, the sequence of marks was not always the same and uniform.
If it`s Nuernberg mark (which I doubt) it was made 10 years prior to import, because ``N`` town mark was abolished in 1886.
And lastly, let`s forget the possibility of it being much older and imported to Britain after a century or so.
That`s not coherent with serious research of silver history.Wishful thinking.
Besides, if you don't mind me saying, in regard of quality the bowl is not even close to anything made in Nuernberg.
Kindest regards

[Gerox]

[quote="AG2012"]Hi,
It was imported to London from 1896 (with ``a`` starting in this particular background) and 1904 when import marks changed.
The following sequence of marks can be seen elsewhere: 1. Lion passant 2. Date letter 3. ``F`` for foreign 4. Leopard`s head
Meaning, the sequence of marks was not always the same and uniform.
If it`s Nuernberg mark (which I doubt) it was made 10 years prior to import, because ``N`` town mark was abolished in 1886.
And lastly, let`s forget the possibility of it being much older and imported to Britain after a century or so.
That`s not coherent with serious research of silver history.Wishful thinking.
Besides, if you don't mind me saying, in regard of quality the bowl is not even close to anything made in Nuernberg.
Kindest regards

Hi AG2012,
thank you for your quick reply, very useful and appreciated.
That was exactly the question. It is therefore completely impossible that a bowl which was produced in 1700 is imported after 1867.
thanks again
Kind regards
Gerox

[AG2012]

Hi,
I can tell from my experience.
Have seen many 18th century Continental silver in Britain, including German silver. There were no import marks and sponsor`s mark.
On the other hand, there was a substantial trade and import of Hanau silver to Britain close to the end 19th century with full compliance to import legislation. But there is Continental silver in Britain without import marks.
There are very knowledgeable members of this forum; let`s wait for their opinions in regard of:
1. Is the quality and marks consistent with 18th (or earlier) Nuernberg ?
2. Was centuries old Continental silver marked with British import marks when entering the market in Britain ?
My answer to both questions is negative.Let`s wait.
Regards