1700 German Spoon?

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1700 German Spoon?

Postby Aguest » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:30 pm

::: This is really based on the zig-zag assay mark on the bowl which is often seen on German spoons :::

::: At first I thought this was an English rat-tail dog-nose queen anne trefid fancy handle trefid spoon, but really now I believe it to be German c. 1700 :::

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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby Aguest » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:42 pm

:::: ZigZag CloseUp ::::

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The ZigZag is what really provides evidence that this spoon was assayed in Germany.

All signs point to Germany 1700, although I have always wanted to find a spoon exactly like this one except from England.

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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby silverfan » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:35 pm

Looks a bit like the BP on Theo's site for Wittstock (uncertain).
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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby Hose_dk » Fri Nov 11, 2016 2:28 pm

when I saw the post this morning - the shape of the mark (heart) gave me the associasion of 1750 ties - the rococo period, but that is just a feeling.

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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby AG2012 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:47 pm

Hi,
München (Munich) master, earlier than expected. Complete match, cannot be the coincidence.Excellent.
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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby Aguest » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:44 pm

This spoon is from 1614 or more likely 1630-1640? :::Oh My::: It's been waiting for 400 years to be monogrammed?
Any more information known about this maker? Did he hang out with Leonardo Da Vinci?

Thanks for the information, is this an exciting find for the Continental Silver Community?

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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby Theoderich » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:57 am

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
München (Munich) master, earlier than expected. Complete match, cannot be the coincidence.Excellent.
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this spoon is about from 1700

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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby AG2012 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:11 am

Hi,
Town mark is missing and it was already used at the time (St.Eligius), but striking similarity of the mark with the example in Rosenberg and Frankenburger leaves little doubt about the maker. (Unless another and later``BP`` mark emerges associated with town mark for more positive identification).
This master made ecclesial silver kept in several museums Reiche Kapelle, Munich (two monstrances - ``Monstranz``), Musées royaux des Beaux-Arts de Belgique (gilded figure of St.Sebastian).
The quality of the spoon is not consistent with his work. His ecclesial silver was of exquisite quality (enamel, precious stones). I doubt very much the engraving, being rather primitive, was done by him.
Yes, it`s a rare find, always exciting to see silver items that old. (There was a spoon here of approximately the same age made by an Italian master, also identified by ecclesial silver).
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Re: 1700 German Spoon?

Postby AG2012 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:32 am

Hi,
@ Theoderich
Right, I did not pay much attention to the form typical for very late 17th early 18th century (dog-nose, rat-tail). I was just impressed by the striking similarity of the mark.
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