Help to identify sugar bowl

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nowyman
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Help to identify sugar bowl

Postby nowyman » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:40 am

Hello everyone. I need a help to identify silver sugar bowl. I know some details but some of them are still undiscovered.
Sugar bowl got 7 different marks.I list them all to make it easier.From right side of pic
1-anchor - Birmingham assay office mark
2-duty head- i was trying to match with examples and only matching in my opinion is George III duty mark 1784. Is it correct ?
3- English rampart lion - symbol for English sterling silver 925
4- ??? - I didn't find anything to match this symbol
5- 830 - I got some info about that. Some silver objects has been stamped with lower silver mark than 925 to avoid duty tax. Is it correct ?
6 - D.A.SCHMIDT - probably name of importer but i can not find any details about him. Only one who match duty stamp date is Daniel Heinrich Schmidt but he use his own silver maker symbol DHS so i getting confused.
7 - V - V letter probably means sugar bowl was imported from England.
My questions :
How old is a sugar bowl ?
If sugar bowl is English why wasn't marked with any british silver maker stamp ?
Is sugar bowl is sterling silver 925 , or 830 ?
Who is D.A.Schmidt ?

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dognose
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Re: Help to identify sugar bowl

Postby dognose » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:20 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

You have a variety of marks here. Please post some images of the marks taken in daylight with no flash.

Trev.

nowyman
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Re: Help to identify sugar bowl

Postby nowyman » Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:23 am

dognose wrote:Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

You have a variety of marks here. Please post some images of the marks taken in daylight with no flash.

Trev.

Hi. Thanks for an email. Pictures below was taken on daylight with no flash.I hope they will help.
Many thanks
Kristian

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Re: Help to identify sugar bowl

Postby oel » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:53 pm

Hi, Check out : http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884_5.html and see Koch & Bergfeld Bremen founded in 1859. The 830 numeral silver standard mark.
The V is A Dutch taxmark; Dutch script-letter V; duty mark for imported gold and silver objects, the V for the Dutch word ‘vreemd’ which translate to foreign. The mark gives no guarantee of standard of fineness. It was intended for imported objects only, used 1906-1953.
For more information see: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028
The other marks are pseudo/fake 'British' marks in the 'Hanau style' see:
http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html



Oel.

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Re: Help to identify sugar bowl

Postby dognose » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:32 pm

It's not the first time that we have seen that rather odd looking 'Koch & Bergfeld' mark.

See: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=34119

Trev.


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