old german silver cup

[Johannes]

Hello,
i need help to identify the marks on the silver cup. somebody know the age ??
thank you very much
best regards
Johannes

[oel]

Hi Johannes, welcome to the forum,

Check out Aachen:
http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884.html
Most probably late 17th-early 18th century.
But perhaps a copy of and made in Hanau(style) late 19th-early 20th century see:
http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html
Let us wait for others to comment.

Oel.

[Johannes]

Hello,
thank you very much for your help. i am not sure about the age of the cup. is it hanau ? its not gilded inside, maybe the weight of the cup helps. the weight is 146 Gramm, maybe its to heavy for old silver ?
best regards
johannes

[AG2012]

The technique might help; if the beaker was raised from a single sheet of silver over a metal form it is definitively 18th century. On the other hand, if a vertical soldering line or a circular line between the bottom and the body are detected it may be of later date. Many Hanau silversmiths were excellent but they never bothered to use raising hammer.They also knew how to hide circular soldering line with elaborate decor.

[oel]

Hi,

Most Hanau silversmiths were virtuoso silversmiths, who excelled in chasing and embossing in the manner of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. The Hanau workshops used old techniques and made hand raised silver but also used superior casting techniques and mouldings in the manner and style of the seventeenth century. During the 19th and early 20th century there was a high demand for antique silver. A good example are the simple silver cups on three ball feet, the three ball shaped feet keep the cup upright if placed on a rough uneven surface, like a wooden table made in the 17th century. The cups have been made through the ages and are still made today. It can be very difficult, even for an expert, to determine which cup is a genuine antique especially if the hallmarks are not clear or spurious.


Oel.

[Johannes]

Hello,
many thanks for your help. i found the mark by Neuwirth, Markenlexikon Wien 1978, Mark 260. is it possible that the cup was made by Bruckmann & Söhne Heilbronn ???
best regards
Johannes

[oel]

Hi Johannes. See: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=21078
Bruckmann & Söhne Heilbronn

Your Eagle does look different: