master CWF weighbridge and two people

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master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Theoderich » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:25 am

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has anyone ever seen a similar coat of arms?

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Theoderich » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:38 am

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has anyone ever seen a similar coat of arms?

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Theoderich » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:16 pm

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there is a very little town Welcherath in Rheinland-Pfalz (only 159 people in 1815)
Verbandsgemeinde: Kelberg

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http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcherath

Ortsgemeinde Kelberg
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http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelberg

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Joerg » Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:28 am

Hi Theoderich

I have not seen a similar mark. To me it does not look like a coat of arms of a town. For me it shows two people, maybe the silversmith and the assayer, jointly checking the item, jointly guaranteeing the 12 loth purity. So I do not think we need to find a town with such a coat of arms.
Does the spoon have a history? Obtained from what region? Did the seller mention anything where it is from? Sometimes we are lucky and spoons did not travel far between the maker, the user and the seller.
Just looking at your pictures I would date the spoon between 1830 and 1850, and somewhere in a (small?) German state. Do you agree?

Kind regards

Jörg

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Theoderich » Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:02 am

hallo Joerg,

in this case the travel of spoons was more than 1000 km.

I have never seen, that a hallmark used a mark with "silversmith and the assayer, jointly checking the item".
But it is also not usual, that a hallmark shows community-arms.
I have the feeling that this spoon comes from the Eifel region.

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Joerg » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:05 am

Dear Theoderich

sorry for beeing unclear, I wrote too fast. I didn't want to say the silversmith and the assayer work together. Yes this would be unsusual. What I ment was that the mark is just a 12 loth mark (of a very proud silversmith). So I was assuming the maker showed the task of weighting the item.
However, looking more closely I think we see here two women, holding the balance. One woman holding a balance would be Justitia, but a sword would be required. Two woman with a balance, without sword, I dont know.

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Jörg

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Theoderich » Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:27 pm

Dear Jörg,

wiki Welcherath:

>>The coat of arms dates back to a court seal in 1691 and represents
the holy martyr couple Chrysanthus and Daria, and are the location of
cartridge Welcherath. It was approved in 1951.<<

Upon closer inspection, the person has left much thicker arms, a slightly larger head and is slightly larger than the right person.
 
This court seal, of which the speech is, is the key to the puzzle. The balance is not only on the court, but also for the market.

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Re: master CWF weighbridge and two people

Postby Theoderich » Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:09 pm

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Ok,
these two persons are Chrysanthus and Daria, both are Christian martyrs and are the patron saint of judges. The Libra means market and high court. Their relics are kept in Bad Münstereifel. So I think that CWF could be a goldsmith in Bad Münstereifel.
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