little bowl from Augsburg ???

[annodomini1790]

Hello,
i have another question about a piece of my silver collection. I have a little bowl with a Augsburg Mark ??, the makers mark is GV, is this realy Augsburg ? im not sure !!
thank you for your help.
best reagards
Karl

[Theoderich]

it looks like Augsburg ca. 1720-30,
but my hallmarks looks similar - but a little different

[Theoderich]

or it is an A like 1735 ?

[annodomini1790]

Hello,
first, thank you very much for your help, it not looks lika a " A ", it looks like a " W / Crown " under the Pyr, but i find no maker " GV ", or the secon letter is not a " V ", you have any idee about the maker ?
best regards
Karl

[zilverik]

Hello Karl,

The best match I can find for Augsburg is: the W 1811-1812 (Seling 3000 and 3010), but I have my doubts. It looks like it, but maybe it is not. I do not think it is older. There is no makersmark GV in Seling. These two doubts together makes me think about pseudomarks. Maybe a test of the silvercontent will help. With these dat there is an estimate possible about the date the saver was made.

Regards,

Zilverik

[Theoderich]

it is not from 19. cenury
I do not think, that this are Pseudomarks
It looks like fist half of 18. century

It could be, that on the top is an other letter [S/GV] or [S/GW] ?
I have not the book from H.Seling.

[annodomini1790]

Hello,
many, many thanks, thats realy a great forum !!!, i also think thats not Pseudo, its to good, the backside is completeley gilded, i think on the front there are rests of gold on the rim, the ornaments are also to good for Gründerzeit,´i try to get better fotos from the marks, are you intrested in fotos from other marks ( Christian II Drentwett, Johann Esias Niggus )
best regards
Karl

[Theoderich]

This is the best Silver-forum in the world ;-)

and I am always interested on good photos

I am looking for seldom german hallmarks from little towns - and also from spoons.

[zilverik]

Hi,

Indeed, new photo's could help to determine this bowl.

Regards,

Zilverik

[annodomini1790]

Hi,

Indeed, new photo's could help to determine this bowl.

Regards,

Zilverik

Hello,
i tried to get better photos




King regards
Karl

[zilverik]

Hi,

Thank you for the better photo's.
In Seling's "Die Augburger Gold- und Silberschmiede 1529-1868" only a few dateletters with W are listed. De dateletter W 1773-1775 does not look like this mark at all. The contour differs, your W is compared to Selings W to small (in comparison with the pineapple). Earlier than 1773 I did not find a dateletter W in Augsburg. I must admit that your salver looks good and it looks older than 1811-1812. Then the possibility that these marks are pseudomarks has to be researched. An assayoffice in your country can determine the content of the silver. In case the content of the silver is without any pollution, clear silver, than it is recently refined. And not old. In the case that the content of the silver is not recently refined new research has to be done. Maybe Seling/Beck missed a dateletter that you have here.
I recently bought a French box that was very well made. After research at the forum I am now convinced that the marks are pseudo. I guess made around 1880. So, I made a mistake. See my photo's and comments on this forum: "French mystery maker 1708?"

Regards,

Zilverik

[Theoderich]

the hallmark have no letter - it is not a W - it looks like a dot.

[annodomini1790]

the hallmark have no letter - it is not a W - it looks like a dot.

Hello,
is it the hallmark from 1717 - 1718 ??
king regards
karl

[zilverik]

Hi,

Karl could be right. I missed that possibility. In case the jearletter is what it could be, it is old and it matches the form. So there is hope, but the makersmark is still unknown in history. A unknown makersmark in 1717-1718? I advise a testing of the silvercontent.
See what I posted earlier about an unknown French master: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24979

Regards,

Zilverik