Are these spoons antique?

[Patrick Pan]

(admin edit - see Posting Requirements) But I can not find the hallmark in the Hallmarks on German Silver after 1886. only a similar one:

http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_a1884_3.html

Gebruder Koberlin Dobeln founded 1828
When were they made in?

Thank you so much for your help!

The photo is as following:
http://h.imagehost.org/0891/P1130010.jpg
http://i.imagehost.org/0761/P1130014.jpg
(admin photo edit - images too large - insert as link only - see Posting Requirements)

[Joerg]

Hi Patrick

there is nothing wrong with these spoons. German silver, after 1886, Gebrüder Köberlin.

They were devoted to an event on April 11, 1907. Probably a wedding. Also the stile of the spoons fits, it ist Art Nouveau.

Regards

Jörg

[Patrick Pan]

Thank you very much!

Now, what's meaning of the mark of G.SCHROTER? Is it the maker or the name of a person?

[Joerg]

Dear Patrick

this is the retailer of the spoons.

Regards

Jörg

[Patrick Pan]

I see! Thank you very much!

:-)

[silverport]

Hello

Additional information on the style of these Gebrüder Köberlin, Döbeln, Saxony spoons:

In 1900 the silver ware factory Koch & Bergfeld, Bremen introduced their new flatware model 25600, designed by the Art Nouveau artist Hugo Leven — who became 1904 Art director of Koch & Bergfeld, and remained their contributor when he became Director of the Hanau »Zeichenakademie«.

His model design was so successful, that nearly all German flatware producer with a reasonable range of different model, have start from about 1900 to 1901 on, to make plagiarisms of the K&B model 25600 and the following model.

It has assisted, that there was already uprising a tamed tendency of Art Nouveau style — a symmetrical version; in contrary to the asymmetrical version of same period.

Time frame on the market beginning with the year 1901 or later — please hold in mind the time needed to make dies.

The here shown model is such an example of plagiarism of Hugo Leven’ K&B flatware design.

Kind regards silverport

[silverport]

Hello again

I like to let you see another companion of plagiarism:



Henniger & Co., Leipzig, around 1901, Model 238 front side and backside

Kind regards silverport

[Patrick Pan]

Thank you again!

So, do you mean that these spoons are valueless ones because there are plagiarism. (I am sorry that my English is not good)

Best Regards!

Patrick

[silverport]

Hello Patrick

In the Antique market the origins are more valuated. But they of plagiarism aren’t of less value for a collector itself. Some times these have a nicer design as the original ones too.

Since I’m a collector novice, now about 27 years ago, I collect also plagiarisms, especially around this K&B model 25600. For that reason I could show you an example of my »plagiarism« collection. One important example I’ve maybe definitely lost last year — the seller has sent it to an unknown somebody.

Gebrüder Köberlin was one of the little to medium sized German flatware producers — some of their models are in an independent design.

As already mentioned, nearly all of the German flatware producer have after 1900 the K&B model copied — it wasn’t as it is today. If they’ve changed e.g. a “rose” by a “pomegranate”, then they weren’t guilty.

By the way, I’ve had 15 hours English lessons only, now 60 year ago — that’s it. Learning by doing!

Make the best of all!

Kind regards silverport

[Patrick Pan]

Thanks a million, silverport, for what you have done for me.

Regards!

Patrick