can someone help me to identify the city- and the makers mark on this spoon? I am not quite sure, if it is from Germany, but I think so. I am interested how old the spoon is and would be happy, if someone can help me.
Kind regards,
Ringo
unknown mark on rat-tail spoon
unknown mark on rat-tail spoon
Hello,
can someone help me to identify the city- and the makers mark on this spoon? I am not quite sure, if it is from Germany, but I think so. I am interested how old the spoon is and would be happy, if someone can help me.
Kind regards,
Ringo
can someone help me to identify the city- and the makers mark on this spoon? I am not quite sure, if it is from Germany, but I think so. I am interested how old the spoon is and would be happy, if someone can help me.
Kind regards,
Ringo
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Re: unknown mark on rat-tail spoon
Ohh - this is NICE.
it looks a little bit like Tübingen (R3 Nr.4693 BZ- 18.century)
http://diglit.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/digl ... 25bd3/0348
I thinkt it is about from the first quarter of the 18. century.
it looks a little bit like Tübingen (R3 Nr.4693 BZ- 18.century)
http://diglit.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/digl ... 25bd3/0348
I thinkt it is about from the first quarter of the 18. century.
I'm afraid that the maker is unascertainable. Thats why I would like to ask you if someone can tell me something about chronologic relevant details of the spoon.
The Tübingen-mark in Rosenberg is from the 18th century, but I have seen nearly the same type made in england in the second half of the 17th century. I have made some detail-fotos of the spoon and hope, that someone can tell me something about the age of the spoon.
Kind regards, Ringo
The Tübingen-mark in Rosenberg is from the 18th century, but I have seen nearly the same type made in england in the second half of the 17th century. I have made some detail-fotos of the spoon and hope, that someone can tell me something about the age of the spoon.
Kind regards, Ringo
In England spoons of roughly this pattern (we call it "trefid") were made from the 1660s through to the early 1700s. In the Channel Islands and parts of continental Europe the pattern lasted longer. I am no expert on German silver but to me detail such as the plain rattail on the bowl suggests a date nearer the end of the pattern's popularity: i.e. early 18th century
Hello,
I most probably have the name of the maker.
I wrote to several Museums and antique-traders of Tübingen. The antique-traders never answered, but a museum refers me to another and at last to the Württemberg State Museum.
A former employee of the Württemberg State museum collected informations about the goldsmiths in Württemberg from church-books.
With the initials "PF" in Tübingen in the time about 1700 worked a goldsmith with the name Paul Fribel or Friebel. He died in 1737 in the age of 76 years. So he was born 1660 or 1661.
The museums- employee clearly pointed out that the mark of Paul Fri(e)bel is unknown and it also could be, that there were other goldsmiths with the same initials.
But at the moment it looks so, that the maker is Paul Friebel or Friebel (1660/61-1737) from Tübingen.
Many thanks to the Württemberg State museum!
Kind regards,
Ringo
I most probably have the name of the maker.
I wrote to several Museums and antique-traders of Tübingen. The antique-traders never answered, but a museum refers me to another and at last to the Württemberg State Museum.
A former employee of the Württemberg State museum collected informations about the goldsmiths in Württemberg from church-books.
With the initials "PF" in Tübingen in the time about 1700 worked a goldsmith with the name Paul Fribel or Friebel. He died in 1737 in the age of 76 years. So he was born 1660 or 1661.
The museums- employee clearly pointed out that the mark of Paul Fri(e)bel is unknown and it also could be, that there were other goldsmiths with the same initials.
But at the moment it looks so, that the maker is Paul Friebel or Friebel (1660/61-1737) from Tübingen.
Many thanks to the Württemberg State museum!
Kind regards,
Ringo
Hello,
I have got informations from the city-archive Tübingen that there is an article about the gold- and silversmiths from Tübingen. It is in Tübinger Blätter 51. Jg. (1964) S. 40-45.
There is written, that Paul Friebel was born in Frankfurt/Oder. He married 1700 the daughter of the tübingian goldsmith Georg Paul Hilliger and became a citizen of Tübingen in the same year. Since 1721 it is noted, that he got as a poor goldsmith financial aid.
Thanks to the city-archive Tübingen for the help!
Kind regards,
Ringo
I have got informations from the city-archive Tübingen that there is an article about the gold- and silversmiths from Tübingen. It is in Tübinger Blätter 51. Jg. (1964) S. 40-45.
There is written, that Paul Friebel was born in Frankfurt/Oder. He married 1700 the daughter of the tübingian goldsmith Georg Paul Hilliger and became a citizen of Tübingen in the same year. Since 1721 it is noted, that he got as a poor goldsmith financial aid.
Thanks to the city-archive Tübingen for the help!
Kind regards,
Ringo
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