Silver dessert fork - Breslau

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greenspecs
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Silver dessert fork - Breslau

Postby greenspecs » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:48 am

I hope you can help me identify the marks on this fork.
The photo shows a composite from a couple of different forks of the best marks there are - they are all pretty worn. I have done what I can with Photoshop to enhance the images.

Thanks Greenspecs

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Postby JAKJO » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:33 pm

Hi,

Thank you for posting!

This was a bit more complicated than your soup ladle by Lemor.
viewtopic.php?t=18995

In this case the forks lack the assay letter "V", but the standard is 700/1000; marked 70.

The dessert forks are probably retailed by Simon Pasch, who is more or less unknown to me. I found a goldsmith with the name Pasch in the 1852 Breslau address directory. They are made by CH or CM in 1884 in Breslau. I am more prone to read it as CH and if so there is a possibility that it is Conrad Hein (Hayn), silversmith, born in 1846, member of the guild 1878--13. Oct. 1893. He is mentioned in Erwin Hintze's book.

But I am not sure, if it is CM, it could be Carl Joseph Franz Machhoy (Machoy, Machoi), Gold- und silversmith, master and a member of the guild in 1856. He died in 1888. I found him in a adress directory from 1868 and his first name was Franz, so I think we can rule out this possibility.
Machhoy
Firstname: Franz
Occupation: Juwelier- u. Goldarbeiter
Address: Klosterstr. 12 (H.pt.)
Place: Breslau
Adressbuch der Haupt- und Residenz-Stadt Breslau 1868 (Page 215)
http://adressbuecher.genealogy.net/entry/show/1629317

Pasch
Firstname: ---
Occupation: Goldarbeiter
Address: Carlsstr. 17
Telephone: x
Place: Breslau
Source: Adressbuch Breslau 1852 (Page 139)
http://adressbuecher.genealogy.net/entry/show/617968

I have not seen either Hein's or Machoy's maker's mark, but read about the makers with adequate initials, so my suggestions stands to be corrected.

Best regards/JAKJO

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Postby greenspecs » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:46 am

Hi Jakjo
once again huge thanks for the detailed research you have done! I really am VERY grateful.

Best Regards Greenspecs

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Postby Bahner » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:13 pm

Hello, the shop of Simon Pasch was first officially registered in 1875 and was probably founded some years earlier. Possibly he is the same Pasch listed in the directory of 1852. In 1881 owners were the widow Rosali Pasch and Albert Pasch. In 1893 as owners were listed widow Lina Pasch and their children. In 1901 the owners were Hans and Adolf Samuelson. Hans Samuelson died in the trenches of World War I, possibly in or before 1915. The company was listed until 1916. Possibly is was closed after Hans Samuelson's death and not reopened after the war.

I have seen several pieces marked with Pasch, often incompletely struck. Sometimes it reads like "S. Pasom", sometimes as "S. Fasch". I believe that the "Fasch" mentioned in this thread

viewtopic.php?t=18995

is actually S. Pasch.

Best wishes, Bahner

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Postby JAKJO » Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:30 pm

Hi Bahner and thank you,

It was with great interest I read about the Pasch company. The names Hans and Adolf Samuelson sound very Swedish to me.

Best regards/JAKJO


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