Silver soup ladle - help in identifying marks

[greenspecs]

I wonder if anyone could help me identify the marks on this ladle which I think is German. I have looked through the site but can't find anything to match. Thanks!

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[JAKJO]

Hi Greenspecs and welcome to the forum,

The soup ladle is made by Julius Lemor, born in Breslau (today WrocÅ‚aw, Poland) in 1846 and master there between 1875–93.

The ladle is marked with a "V" used by the assay master Heinrich Eduard Adolph Dobers between 1876–1886 and below the head of Saint John the Baptist we can read 84 and that is 1884.

Between the maker's mark "IAL" and the letter "V" is the standard 70 and that is 700/1000.

Hope this helps,

Best regards/JAKJO

[Theoderich]

an interesting point
this maker was also in Striegau
viewtopic.php?t=17197&highlight=striegau

[greenspecs]

Jakjo - many thanks for the prompt and really helpful reply ... and apologies for making the image too big. I thought I had done it right!

Out of interest, the ladle is part of a canteen of cutlery. Some of the dessert forks carry a similar hallmark - the IAL is replaced SIMON FASCH and instead of the V there seem to be the letters C M. The hallmarks are very worn, but I can try a photo or two if it helps

Best regards Greenspecs

[JAKJO]

Hi,

The Simon Fasch dessert forks and their marks sound very interesting. Is the canteen marked with a retalier?

By the way, the Julius Lemor's and his successor's production continued until the 1940-ies.

Best regards/JAKJO

[greenspecs]

Hi Jakjo
sadly I haven't got the actual canteen box any more - just the knives, forks, spoons etc. I only have a small box that has serving implements in it (cake slice, fish(?) server). That has a satin inlay in the lid marked "Julius Lemor Silberwaaren-Fabrik & Präge Anstalt BRESLAU"

As far as I can tell the dessert forks are the only items to be marked Simon Fasch.

Best regards Greenspecs

[JAKJO]

Hi,

That was the official name of his prolific company, started by his grandfather in 1818 according to a book* about the three generations of Lemor silversmiths.

The letters IAL (later also JAL) in the mark is actually the grandfather's of Julius. His name was Johann Adam Lemor (born in 1788) and he became a master and member of the guild in 1820. His son, Carl August Theodor, and Julius' father, was born in 1820 and after practising in his father's workshop he was a member of the guild 1849-1893. Julius left the guild the same year as his father.

It stands to be corrected, but I believe that it was the year the once powerful guild in Breslau ceased to be. The Assay letter V used by the assay master Dobers between 1876–1886 is followed by a "W"-mark.

If anyone knows the name of the presumed last assay master (W) in Breslau or when the guild ceased to exist, please let us know.

*Śląskie srebro. Fabryka wyrobów srebrnych. Julius Lemor. Breslau-Wrocław 1818-1945 (Schlesisches Silber. Silberwarenfabrik Julius Lemor. Breslau-Wrocław 1818-1945). Pod red.: Rainer Lemor, Krystyna Szurek. Tłum.: Teresa Sokół. Wrocław, Muzeum Miejskie Wrocławia 2003. ISBN 83-917909-6-7.


Best regard/JAKJO

[greenspecs]

Hi Jakjo
you are truly an amazing source of information - many thanks!

Did you have any ideas about Simon Fasch?

Best regards Greenspecs

[JAKJO]

Hi,

The standard reference work is still I believe, Erwin Hintze's Die Breslauer Goldschmiede (1906), but I can't find Simon Fasch there.
All the information about the Lemor-family I found in it.

I can see two alternatives, 1. he was not a silversmith in Breslau, 2. he was a retailer, but who was then the maker.

The letters C M do not make sense to me.

Please try a photo or two and post them as a new topic in the German section, I hope that will help us.

Best regards/JAKJO