silver plate not sure how to post here yet - what do I have?

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silver plate not sure how to post here yet - what do I have?

Postby imarc » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:28 am

I have received this plate from a family member and have begun to find out from where it came from.
I have found that it is of German origin through the crown and half moon hallmark. The other marks I cant seem to find on any site. The name above the marks is also not to clear to me.
I am also trying to find out; other than the maker and year produced (i'm sure by hand) what is the battle depicted on the plate.
The box over the marks has the first letter W; then what appears to be the letters......genwer.... I can't make out the rest of the letters what looks like an E can be an L.
There are five marks on the next line. The first being 800, the second being the crown and crescent moon, the third looks like two drawn curtains with what looks like a large R flanked by a smaller R on the left and what could be an F on the right, the fourth looks to be a lion, the fifth mark which is off center from the rest of the row of marks seems to be an upside down kind of A with a tiny B or 8.

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Re: silver plate not sure how to post here yet - what do I h

Postby Theoderich » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:52 am

it is german 800/1000 - silver
I think about from 1890.
It is "Historismus".

Handarbeit = (handmade)

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Scenery of a battlefield after glorious battle 1618 to 1648

Postby silverport » Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:56 pm

Hello Marc

Shown object could be a «memento glories» — 250th anniversary of 30 years war final in Germany 1618 to 1648. It’s manually made in Silversmith’ workshop WOLLENWEBER in Munich, Germany — maybe 1897/1898.

Mark’s area is very disturbed by chased works — especially that mark which is in top position: WOLLENWEBER = workshop’s name. In Munich one of local important workshops of that time — the others: Weishaupt, Mayrhofer.

Workshop was founded 1820 by Georg Wollenweber — his mark was then ZAHN & WOLLENWEBER. After he succumbed early his widow married his companion Karl Zahn = 1829 master craftsman. 1846 took over Georg Wollenweber's first son. Source: «Rosenberg», 2nd volume, Frankfurt/M., p. 354, Nr. 3590.

Maybe it was already usual by Wollenweber family member to use a stretched rectangular punch of whole family name in antique capital letters. Louis Wollenweber, 1819 apprentice, has already used this form of punch; in top row an additional second one by his Christian name LOUIS. Source: «Rosenberg», 2nd volume, Frankfurt/M., p. 353, Nr. 3588.

Mark’s in second row: 800 = stands for silver alloy’s fineness 800/1000; Imperial Crown and Crescent = Symbol of German Silver; yet unidentified mark = maybe a simplification of former Munich mark «Münchner Kindel» (Child of Munich; in monk’s habit); Lion Passant Guardant = an unnecessary fake’s mark; not shown fifth mark could be model number or workmen’s identifications.

Some work of this very complex scenery was maybe done by artists outside of this workshop?

If you like to get an interpretation of battlefield’s scenery you must request historians of 17th century wars.

Battlefield's scenery is based on an artists paint or engraving. Further information maybe you could get also from Munich Town Museum: www.stadtmuseum-online.de/

Kind regards silverport


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