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Unknown maker on Elbing Ladle
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:34 pm
by jackk
Can anyone help me identify this maker's mark on this Elbing ladle?
Thanks!
Jack
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:04 am
by blakstone
Carl Wilhelm Pröll, citizen in Elbing 28 Aug 1801. He assumed the workshop of his father Johann Gottlieb Pröll (Master 1777, died 1825) in 1811. He was working until at least 1818 and possibly as late as 1838.
Hope this helps!
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:45 am
by Theoderich
looks a little different to this mark
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:54 am
by jackk
Thank you again. Is this an undocumented mark for him? Here is another one that I was able to find that is attributed to this maker.
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:40 pm
by blakstone
Yes, this is an undocumented mark. Well, let's say unpublished, because I have documented it - in a crystal-clear strike - on a spoon dated 1824. The initials are unquestionably CW/P, and there simply is no other possible maker in Elbing at the time with those initials, not even in the large and prolific Pröll family.
Ref:
E. V. Czihak, Edelschmiedekunst früherer zeiten in Preussen, (Leipzig: Hiersemann, 1903), v. II, p. 162, maker #73
M. Gradowski & A. Kasprak-Miler, Złotnicy na Ziemiach Północnej Polski, (Warsaw: Wydawnictwo DiG, 2002), v. I, p. 51, maker #E98
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:12 pm
by jackk
Thanks Blackstone! I did a little more digging. There was a Elbing silver beaker at auction in Warsaw in 2008 - attributed to Carl Wilhelm Pröll and hallmarked with CW/P in a heart shaped cartouche. I don't have an image of the mark, but the picture of the beaker was still available.
Re:
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:03 am
by Theoderich
blakstone wrote:Yes, this is an undocumented mark. Well, let's say unpublished, because I have documented it - in a crystal-clear strike - on a spoon dated 1824. The initials are unquestionably CW/P, and there simply is no other possible maker in Elbing at the time with those initials, not even in the large and prolific Pröll family.
Ref:
E. V. Czihak, Edelschmiedekunst früherer zeiten in Preussen, (Leipzig: Hiersemann, 1903), v. II, p. 162, maker #73
M. Gradowski & A. Kasprak-Miler, Złotnicy na Ziemiach Północnej Polski, (Warsaw: Wydawnictwo DiG, 2002), v. I, p. 51, maker #E98
there is an other makersmark of CW Pröll
it is on a spoon about from 1810-20
Re: Re:
Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:05 am
by Theoderich
Carl Wilhelm Proell
and his father
Johann Gottlieb Proell
