Russian Gold brooch

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Russian Gold brooch

Postby newbs » Thu May 12, 2022 2:58 pm

Hi,
this is my first post, please excuse my errors.
I'm looking for verification that the item in the photos is indeed 14 carat gold of russian origin and from 1899-1908 period.

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I have been unable to identify the mark on the pin and am not sure of double strike. After turning it several ways it looks like a left looking head.

If you can shed any light, it would be appreciated.

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby AG2012 » Thu May 12, 2022 3:10 pm

Does not work !

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby AG2012 » Thu May 12, 2022 3:18 pm

Note that Google is not a suitable photo host for this site.
https://postimages.org is recommended (click 'Share', then copy and paste the 'Hotlink for forums' code to embed your images) and remember to use the 'Preview' button before submitting your post. Do not use Photobucket or Dropbox.

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby newbs » Thu May 12, 2022 3:22 pm

AG2012 wrote:Note that Google is not a suitable photo host for this site.
https://postimages.org is recommended (click 'Share', then copy and paste the 'Hotlink for forums' code to embed your images) and remember to use the 'Preview' button before submitting your post. Do not use Photobucket or Dropbox.


Thanks, I was hoping to avoid the need to sign up to yet another site, sigh. I'll try postimages.

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby AG2012 » Thu May 12, 2022 3:28 pm

Hi,
Everything is OK with this brooch; 14 K (583) or 65 zolotnik, most likely assayed in Moscow 1898 - 1914 by Ivan Lebedkin.
Maker`s mark cannot be deciphered.
Regards

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby newbs » Thu May 12, 2022 3:31 pm

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Ok, third time lucky I hope.

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby newbs » Thu May 12, 2022 3:35 pm

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Everything is OK with this brooch; 14 K (583) or 65 zolotnik, most likely assayed in Moscow 1898 - 1914 by Ivan Lebedkin.
Maker`s mark cannot be deciphered.
Regards

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Thank you so much. Any idea what is stamped on the pin?
Excuse if these are silly questions, I was always told the only silly questions are those I don't ask. As I've never owned anything valuable before, I find myself on a steep learning curve.

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby AG2012 » Thu May 12, 2022 3:57 pm

Open this link and scroll down to Ivan Lebedkin.84 is for silver.
https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_kokoshnik_01.html
56 is fineness, woman`s head and assayer`s initials IL (ИЛ).
Another woman`s head as a secondary mark on another part of the brooch,
The mark in the middle of the needle could be French import mark (the owl in an oval, partially struck, but cannot tell for sure).
In spite of being under French gold standard the owl is often found on imported gold pieces.
Regards

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby newbs » Thu May 12, 2022 4:05 pm

AG2012 wrote:Open this link and scroll down to Ivan Lebedkin.84 is for silver.
https://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_kokoshnik_01.html
56 is fineness, woman`s head and assayer`s initials IL (ИЛ).
Another woman`s head as a secondary mark on another part of the brooch,
The mark in the middle of the needle could be French import mark (the owl in an oval, partially struck, but cannot tell for sure).
In spite of being under French gold standard the owl is often found on imported gold pieces.
Regards


Many thanks!

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby Aguest » Tue May 24, 2022 1:49 am

:::: Every single piece of gold (or silver) on the object was supposed to be properly hallmarked before the assembly of the object. :::: For instance I have a sugar bowl with four tiny feet and two handles and every single piece is hallmarked including the bottom of the bowl. :::: It seems like the pin part has a Russian hallmark on it which would have been stamped before the construction of the complete object :::: The more I look at the hallmark on the pin the more it looks Russian to my eyes ::::

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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby AG2012 » Tue May 24, 2022 4:53 am

Most likely the pin is hollow (impossible to mark).Therefore,the mark is commonly seen on C clasp, even on the needle itself.
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Re: Russian Gold brooch

Postby newbs » Tue May 24, 2022 5:51 pm

Having looked at the pin again from various angles, it now looks to me as if it is the Assayers mark again. Holding it vertical, it looks like the browridge, nose and chin of the mark seen on the hook.


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