Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

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Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:20 am

Hello,
I'm conducting research on the origins of a golden ring with 3 gemstones.

The data, provided by the family who owns it, is scares, but I believe it is sufficient for further investigation.

- The ring was in the family from 1970
- I found 2 nearly identical rings and they were described as Austro-Hungarian in origins.
- There are 3 hallmarks on the inside:
-> Oval with, what I believe are initials
-> Small diamond shape with something I call "C" or "upside 5"
-> Hexagon, I assume, the shape is a bit unclear, with something I call "Face profile, looking left"

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Any help in recognizing those marks, time of making the ring or the country of it's origins, will be most appreciated.

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby dognose » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:31 pm

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please choose another photohost, one that doesn't apply an advertising banner across the marks we need to see.

https://postimages.org (choose 'Share', then copy the 'Hotlink for forums' code) is recommended.

Trev.

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:03 pm

Oh, sorry.

I can't find the EDIT option for my post.
Should I just repost those photos ?

dognose wrote:Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please choose another photohost, one that doesn't apply an advertising banner across the marks we need to see.

https://postimages.org (choose 'Share', then copy the 'Hotlink for forums' code) is recommended.

Trev.

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby dognose » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:27 pm

Hi,

Yes please, just add the new images to the topic.

Trev.

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:00 pm

[quote="Chronicler"]Hello,
I'm conducting research on the origins of a golden ring with 3 gemstones.

The data, provided by the family who owns it, is scares, but I believe it is sufficient for further investigation.

- The ring was in the family from 1970
- I found 2 nearly identical rings and they were described as Austro-Hungarian in origins.
- There are 3 hallmarks on the inside:
-> Oval with, what I believe are initials
-> Small diamond shape with something I call "C" or "upside 5"
-> Hexagon, I assume, the shape is a bit unclear, with something I call "Face profile, looking left"

Image

Image

Image

Image

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:21 pm

Hi,
Austria-Hungary 1872 to 1922.
14K Gold Standard Fox Head Hallmark in irregular hexagon.The letter on the left of it cannot be seen, if C seen on the secondary mark, then it was made in Prague.Number 4 on the right of it = 14 karat gold.
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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:11 pm

Oh, wow.
I wasn't expecting to receive a reply so fast and so specific.

So the big Hexagonal mark is with the dog/fox.
The smaller one might have indeed C and 4, as I suspected.
Do you have maybe a photos of those marks in better shape ?

Are there any informations about the oval mark?




AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Austria-Hungary 1872 to 1922.
14K Gold Standard Fox Head Hallmark in irregular hexagon.The letter on the left of it cannot be seen, if C seen on the secondary mark, then it was made in Prague.Number 4 on the right of it = 14 karat gold.
Regards

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby AG2012 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:23 am

Hi,
If that is C for Prague,there is no chance to identify the maker whose initials are partially struck in the oval.
Even if both letters are clearly seen,Prague makers are not well documented.
Regards

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:38 am

Thank you for the photos.

If I may ask more questions. I am new to the world of Hallmarks.

So on the image the re are C4 and C Marks.
As you said C4 is for Prague and 14K gold?
Is C the date letter then?

The hallmark with the dogs/foxs head is listed as a mark for silver. Why is it on the golden ring?

I was trying to find the C4 hallmarks but without results.
Are they from Prague or Austro-Hungary or completly different category?

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
If that is C for Prague,there is no chance to identify the maker whose initials are partially struck in the oval.
Even if both letters are clearly seen,Prague makers are not well documented.
Regards

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby AG2012 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:16 am

Dog`s head mark for silver was different.
Prague was in Austria-Hungary Empire at the time and its assay office was assigned town number C (not date letter).
A was for Vienna, B for Budapest.

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:25 pm

So on your photo someone placed twice the letter C ?

Why the C4 marks are so differyou ( your photo and mine)?

AG2012 wrote:Dog`s head mark for silver was different.
Prague was in Austria-Hungary Empire at the time and its assay office was assigned town number C (not date letter).
A was for Vienna, B for Budapest.

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:55 pm

What if the dog has P on the left?


AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Austria-Hungary 1872 to 1922.
14K Gold Standard Fox Head Hallmark in irregular hexagon.The letter on the left of it cannot be seen, if C seen on the secondary mark, then it was made in Prague.Number 4 on the right of it = 14 karat gold.
Regards

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby AG2012 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:53 pm

Then it is Budapest (Hungary).
P is short for Pest because there were two towns in the past, i.e. Buda and Pest,The Danube river between them, then they united to become Budapest.Traditionally,letter P was assigned to them.
See here:
https://www.925-1000.com/Faustria_02.html

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:54 pm

Can there be hallmarks from 2 towns ?

C from C4
P from the Dog


AG2012 wrote:Then it is Budapest (Hungary).
P is short for Pest because there were two towns in the past, i.e. Buda and Pest,The Danube river between them, then they united to become Budapest.Traditionally,letter P was assigned to them.
See here:
https://www.925-1000.com/Faustria_02.html

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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:15 am

Cannot explain the upper mark which is partially struck.
The mark with fox head bearing P indicates the ring was made i Budapest, Hungary.The other mark was possibly added later.
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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby Chronicler » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:25 am

But it is possible for an item to have 2 city marks and be valid?

AG2012 wrote:Cannot explain the upper mark which is partially struck.
The mark with fox head bearing P indicates the ring was made i Budapest, Hungary.The other mark was possibly added later.
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Re: Gold Ring - 2 diamonds - 1 sapphire - [3 Hallmarks to identify]

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:31 am

Of course,it is valid if the ring was moved to another town and marked there.
Remarking is common and done for many reasons,not only for official export or import, sometimes owners wanted their silver and gold remarked by local assay office for whatever reason.
In a word,I think this is all we can tell about your ring.
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