Gorham? plate or sterling? pattern? tea set

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Re: Gorham? plate or sterling? pattern? tea set

Postby karin64blue » Thu May 12, 2011 5:10 pm

Joesph Brady, a silver historian, kindly lent me his advice! Wow. Our local recommended antique appraiser couldn't even figure it out!! See his comments below:

Thank you for contacting us. There is no need for metallurgic testing of your tea & coffee service: It is definitely American coin silver, made by the Gorham Mfg. Co., Providence, Rhode Island, between 1865 and 1867. The 410 mark is Gorham's style number. It is lovely and rather valuable, and should be appraised. Prior to 1865 the lion would have faced left, and the G would have been in a simpler block style. Further, in 1868 Gorham, looking to market wares in England, adopted the British sterling standard -- 925 parts per thousand, as opposed to the US coin standard of 900 parts per thousand -- and introduced a date marking system.

The idea put forth that without the word "sterling" it is not valuable is quite ridiculous, since such marking is not seen on American solid silver wares prior to the 1860's. The earliest and most valuable pieces of American silver, such as the Paul Revere table spoon that brought $16,000 at Christie's in January or the New York-made punch bowl circa 1710 that fetched $ 5.9 million last year at Sotheby's, were marked only with the maker's own mark. The much-misunderstood phrase "American coin silver" actually describes all solid silver wares made in the American Colonies/United States prior to the commercial mining of silver in the U.S. in the late 1850's. It defines a period which began with the first Colonial silversmiths in the 1630's, when coins made up the majority of raw material available.

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Re: Gorham? plate or sterling? pattern? tea set

Postby dragonflywink » Thu May 12, 2011 10:38 pm

No surprises in that response.....

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Re: Gorham? plate or sterling? pattern? tea set

Postby silverly » Fri May 13, 2011 8:27 am

I am glad you have found someone that you can rely on. There has been discussion about your mark elsewhere that made too cautious about making a positive identification from the images. The pattern number might just as correctly have been used on a silverplate version of your coffee set.

Gorham makes the claim with the U S Patent and Trademark Office that they have been using a trademark like yours with the word sterling under it since 1853.

Just for the sake of discussion, even if it hasn't been stated, I've always thought Gorham went with sterling as a standard out of competition with Tiffany, but to be honest, I don't know which company changed first.

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Re: Gorham? plate or sterling? pattern? tea set

Postby dragonflywink » Fri May 13, 2011 12:00 pm

I'm not able to check my references at the moment, but seem to recall Carpenter's books on Tiffany and Gorham, as well as Dr. Hood's on Tiffany flatware, have some dates pertaining to the exclusive use of sterling, and if I recall correctly, Tiffany claimed to have switched to the "English" sterling standard for all their silver production in the early 1850s, preceding Gorham in that respect, with catalog dates showing the latter still offering coin silver up to 1867 (.900 "coin" is still 2nd standard fineness in the U.S.). I've had a number of datable by mark 1850s pieces by several makers in sterling, and numerous patterns that were not introduced until the 1860s, marked as coin - but can't say that I've ever seen any reliable reference to Gorham's lion-anchor-G trademark being used on anything other than solid silver of either coin or sterling standard.

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Re: Gorham? plate or sterling? pattern? tea set

Postby asheland » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:05 pm

I've seen model numbers starting with zero and actually having the "coin" mark right next to them.
I understand that the "lion anchor G" mark without sterling automatically means coin silver whether the word "coin" is present or not.


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