Swedish beaker

[ketipov]

Hello, sorry for the previous post - I'm new user. (previous post deleted by Doos)
So here are the pictures of the beaker. As I said it also has a hallmark I/O on the upper ball-shaped leg of the beaker.
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[Hose_dk]

I have a book with swedish hallmarks but you seem to have forgotten a picture of hallmarks

[ketipov]

I haven't forgotten the hallmark, I just can't get a good picture because it's too small. The Hallmarks is - I/O on one of the legs of the beaker ( between the words ADOLF and GVSTAV).Although the hallmark is blurred,you can see it on picture 4

[byron mac donald]

Ketipov, Hello

I am very new here on this site, but I can not see the hallmarks. Could they possibly be date marks that you are looking at? please look here....
http://www.925-1000.com/Fsweden_Date_Code.html
Also I would love to know what the history of this piece is. Also can you or anyone else tell me what the inscription says?

Waiting in anticipation- Byron

[byron mac donald]

Hello again-

A few things bothered me since my last post. First is picture number two, is that a casting seam I see? Number two, I do not see where it says it is silver anywhere in your pics. could it be some other metal? perhaps zinc? I have found the history of "Gustav Adolf" however please see here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavus_A ... _of_Sweden

All being said, it just looks as if it is a rememberance piece of a great king. But not 17th century. I would still like to know what it says though.

Best regards- Byron

[ketipov]

I pretty sure that this I/0 is not a date mark. It's probably either the maker or the place of origin of the beaker. The inscription below reads "Tetragrammation Jehovah Adonay Eloy".
I know a little bit about the history of the beaker from my grandfather . It sounds incredible, but I was told that it belonged to Adolf Gustav II. The piece was brought to my family by a Russian whiteguard from Sweden in 1899-1900. The technique used for making the beaker shows that it's at least
300 years old. I've seen beakers (on the Internet) from the 1700's and early 1800's that resemble this beaker in shape and dimensions, but none of them have such inscriptions on the bottom. I myself have made a 5 year-long research and I have found nothing. That's why I've put some pictures here, so that someone can help me identify the real origin of the beaker.

[ketipov]

I think it might me a casting seam. About the material - the material looks like melchior, probably low-assay silver but there's no siver stamp, only the letters I/O.

[byron mac donald]

Ketipov Sir-

I love your history of this, Would you be able to translate what it says into english? The only word that I think I recognize is "Jehovah" Wouldnt that be "God" makes me even more interested.
You say that it was given to your Grandfather from a Whiteguard, would that make it just about 20 yrs before Marxism? Good reason to leave Russia in my book. Still, what method do you refer to, to believe that it dates back 3 hundred years? (believe me you know more than I, I am just trying to learn)
If I saw this somewhere, I would agree with your grandfathers statement of early 20th century, what do you think? I love genealogy, and believe me that I wish I could be an heir to a castle in Ireland as my grandmother claimed that I may have been, but realisticaly "Aint going to happen"
I am looking forward to how this identification is going to turn out. Please wait for a reply from one of the Admins. or some other person much more qualified. sure it will be "Very" soon.
Great chatting with you, send me a personal message anytime you want.

Best wishes-

[ketipov]

My grandfather know this story from his father (b. 1901), who knows it from his father (b.1864), and yes you're right it can't be whiteguard,but it's a Russian officer who brought it,that's for sure.
And yes you're right "Jehovah" means Jesus
Tetragrammaton - The sacred name of God. In Hebrew "four-letter word" or symbol meaning yod-ye-vau-he (YHWH) and signifying Yahweh. It is pronounced in Hebrew as "Adomai," and written generally as JHYH with variations of JHVH or YHVH. In English it became Jehovah. The root YHWH is radical of HWH, he-vau-he, meaning "being" or "life" or "woman" which were interchangeable concepts in the ancient Middle East. These identical letters in Latin are E-V-E: Eve. So the central or inner meaning of the Tetragrammaton is Eve, the Mother of All Living.

[ketipov]

Most Holy Names of God, ELOY, ADONAY, ELOY, AGLA, SAMALABACTAY, which are written in Hebrew, Greek and Latin

[dragonflywink]

Hi there,

If you don't mind a few questions and comments: your beaker looks interesting, sure that many of us would like a better look at it.

Realize that posting photos can be difficult at times, but even with my high-speed connection, your pictures loaded slowly, perhaps you could crop and resize them. Personally, cannot see the mark you speak of in either of pictures of the base.

The apparent method of construction is not really what I've seen on early Scandinavian beakers and suspect that it's some sort of reproduction and perhaps silverplate rather than silver.

Perhaps someone could clarify - my understanding has been that melchior (melkhior) is what is often called nickel silver or German silver, an alloy of copper, nickel and zinc. Nickel silver is often silverplated and usually dates from the mid 19th century or later.

~Cheryl

[Bahner]

Hello, the "I/O" mark was used by the German WMF on plated items. It is possible that this piece was given to the family around 1900, but I do not think it is much older. Best wishes, Bahner

[ketipov]

Yes it might be possible. I've been thinking - do you know that depending on the angle you look at the it , the hallmark I/O could also be O/I. Can anyone also see if O/I stands for something?

[ketipov]

It looks like Melchior, but it's very possible to be pewter, because it corresponds to the description of the pewter " Physically, pewter is a bright, shiny metal that is very similar -if not identical- in appearance to silver. Like silver, pewter will also tarnish to a dull gray over time if left untreated"

[ketipov]

Unlidded mugs and lidded tankards may be the most familiar pewter artifacts from the late 17th and 18th centuries, although the metal is also used for many other items including porringers, plates, dishes, basins, spoons, measures, flagons, communion cups, teapots, sugarbowls, steins and cream jugs

[Hose_dk]

Regarding the swedish king he lived in that period - but he could know which year he died. Therefore it cannot be his.
Jehova does not mean jesus - it is the name of god.

I cannot see the I/O mark. Try to take a picture using macro. Also try to place a pair of glases in front of the lense. It might make i more easy.
Also try to cut the picture so it only contains the mark.

but i think that Bahner is correct.

[ketipov]

Here is the photo