help with silver plate

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Can anyone please identify the origin of this piece. I have searched and found that the fleur de lis means that the piece was made by the Hugenots but I am a complete amateur so would be grateful of any help Thanks.

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hello again, I have done or rather tried to do more research and found that there were two silver plate makers around 1800 that used the fleur de lys as their mark on old sheffield plate
AH JH (Aaron Hatfield) 1808Birmingham
Small 1812 Birmingham
I. & I. W. & Co (Waterhouse & Co) Sheffield1833

But try as I may, I cannot work out the P G and S marks. Are they all date matks. I really don't understand it and would be very grateful if anyone could help me as I would like to tell my old dad who is also trying, something about it.
In great anticipation, thanks in advance!

[2209patrick]

I have seen that silverplate mark several times, but have been unable to find out who used it. Double-checked my books, but no luck.
The fleur-de-lys mark was used by many British manufacturers of silverplated items. Some American companies used the fleur-de-lis and crown pseudo marks also, so I'm not so sure your piece is British.

Silverplate marks are difficult for a few reasons.
- There were few, if any, regulations governing them,
- Many companies produced silverplated items as a sideline, it was not the primary focus of their business.
- Many of these companies didn't make sterling pieces, so they are not as well known in collector's circles.
- Some Asian companies used pseudo marks to make buyers think the pieces were produced elsewhere.

Sorry I couldn't help more.
Pat.

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Thanks Pat for your reply, this is a real mystery. There have been so many views and so few replies.

Can anyone suggest where I might be able to find out some more information?

Any ideas about the P G and S because they do not fit in the way that they are ,with what I have seen on web sites. They all look like date marks but that can't be right surely?

I have found it quite difficult finding websites with a lot of information, perhaps I am writing the wrong thing in the search even though I have tried everything imagineable!

Thanks Red

[micadee0109]

I have been reading these forum messages for two straight days now because I'm looking for this very mark. Mine is stamped on the underside of the rim of a beautiful domed bacon keeper.

I've done extensive research on this mark and have turned up nothing definitive - yet. I found it in a section of unidentified silvermarks on another silver website. Elsewhere in my research, I read something about the possibility of this being a pair of pseudo-hallmarks, with P G S signifying Plated German Silver. In short, I'm beginning to suspect that this mark might be a grand way of signifying that the item is silverplated.

Look elsewhere on your piece for another mark that might actually be the maker's trademark. There is a mysterious mark on my bacon keeper, stamped a few inches to the right of the mark we're discussing. It is a P followed by what appears to be a pair of C's facing one another to form a split circle (one split at 11 o'clock and the other at 5 o'clock). After the P and split circle is the numeral 1.

I realize this post is late, but I'm at the end of my rope. It's tantalizing pictures like yours that keep me going in researching this mark.

Best wishes and good luck!

Michael
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[2209patrick]

Hello Michael and Red.

I have have come up with a possibility for this mark, but have not been able to confirm it.
Here's a picture of the marks along with the mark of the Jennings Brothers Mfg. Company, Bridgeport, Connecticut.



http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_J.html

Pat.

[mogoshow]

Hi
It may be of use .I believe the mark is for Silber & Fleming Ltd, 1854 -1890 . P.G.S = Plated German Silver,
Regards Maurice

[dognose]

Hi Maurice,

Welcome to the Forum.

Indeed they are.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_S2.html

and: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=21864&p=51260#p51260

Trev.