Russian ? silver ?

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Russian ? silver ?

Postby silverfan » Sat Oct 09, 2021 10:12 am

This small can has no Russian marks but a shield and a cyrillic inscription. From what country does it come and what means the inscription? I doubt if it is silver.
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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:29 pm

Yes the text is Russian but unfortunately it is impossible to read it (at least to me). The text is partial only. It is not Russian silver.sorry. i believe it is plate, but where from????

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Oct 09, 2021 12:57 pm

New try
The first line is mission impossible, the second line reads бордюр (border).

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Qrt.S » Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:01 pm

Sorry! Minor correction. The spelling is бордюръ

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby silverfan » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:03 am

Thanks Qrt.S for your reply. Obviously it is a difficult case, because nobody knew an answer.
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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby dognose » Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:15 am

I'll move the topic to the 'Other Countries' section of the forum to see if we have any luck there.

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby ALEKS » Fri Oct 29, 2021 2:05 pm

Hello. Perhaps it is an overhead silver Oehme (Эмме), the owner of the factory of overhead silver in Moscow from 1833-1856.
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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby AG2012 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:46 pm

Hi,
серебр(яный) бордюр is generic mark used to indicate quality and also for prevention of fraudulent actions (adding fake marks and selling silver plated items as solid silve). The mark in the shield is unknown to me.
His peak production was in 1840s. It is claimed elsewhere that he used thin silver sheets on copper (similar to Sheffield plate).
Not sure about electro silverplating at the time when it was still in experimental stage of develpment.
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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Mart » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:57 am

I think that the factory of Ксимантовский (КSIMANTOVSKУ). Silver plated. Накладное серебро.

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby silverfan » Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:46 pm

Thanks all for your answers, especially Mart who I think found the maker: Ivan KSIMANTOVSKY who made plated articles. The initials in the shield are IK.
@Mart: Did you see the shield with IK on other items from Ksimantovsky? Is it his maker's mark? What do the last two words mean in cyrillic? The last I know means silver.
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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Qrt.S » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:10 am

Накладное серебро means "cover silver" in other words "plated"

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Mart » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm

The brand is "ФIК" , where «Ф» (F) is a Factory. The Kcimantovsky factory. Silvering is not really my topic, but I have seen such marks «ФIК». And he had other brands. It is ok.
I think that the years of creation of this product are approximately 1844-1852. Maybe a little earlier. There is a small chance that Ivan started the business in the city of Rzhev, from where he arrived in Moscow, but this is unlikely.
Then Ivan's relative became the owner of the factory.

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Mart » Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:46 am

Correction. I think that Ivan was the owner of the factory in 1839-1852(54).

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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby silverfan » Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:02 pm

@Mart
So the brand (=maker's mark) is: cyrillic F Latin I K what would be a mixture of alphabet. Is that possible?
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Re: Russian ? silver ?

Postby Mart » Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:11 pm

The letter "I" was in the Russian alphabet in those years.


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