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Haynes & Lawton fork

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Hi there.
I've been artifact hunting in Nevada along the Pony Express and dug up this fork at an old junction in the trail. Research led to me discovering the existence of an old shop in San Francisco, Haynes & Lawton that likely sourced this item. Just curious about confirming the theory and if anyone had more details on the manufacturer and the artifact details.
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Haynes & Lawton ad. in here (courtesy Trev.) where we were tracking Pacific Plate works (scroll down): viewtopic.php?f=61&t=45729&p=133934&hil ... on#p133934
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Advertising in a Stockton newspaper shows Haynes & Lawton's operating a location at 183 Main Street, Stockton and noting silverware just in from Pacific Plate Works (accessed online through U.C. Riverside files, dating to 1869).

A sample of an H&L marked ware posted at Silver Salon Forums: https://www.smpub.com/ubb/Forum19/HTML/000126.html

Additional photos of this fork would be nice if possible, as well as anything else you would like to reveal about the find. You might call the back detail both Tipt and Threaded.
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Additionally, advertising (1869) in a Sacramento paper, H&L declared themselves not only as agents for PPW platewares but also for Earthenwares of John Maddock & Sons' (note early use of plural) of England. Maddock was well known internationally around the globe not only for household china, but as the major supplier for Hotel grades worldwide. This would suggest, along with their other ads, that Haynes & Lawton may have held a major position in outfitting commercial establishments in this pioneer era for Western settlement. With San Francisco as a port city, wares could be brought from Europe direct by sea routes to help supply "interior" locations, thus avoiding the arduous overland haulage from East Coast harbors. The rise of the new transcontinental railroad would undoubtedly work to reduce any special position that H&L may have held as time progressed and land transport improved. It would be much easier for domestic producers to set up their own agencies on the West Coast and new suppliers would arise. Perhaps this may shed light on why the fork was found so far inland and suggest a possible dating. Link to UCR newspaper archives: https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SDU18690416 ... N--------1
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Haynes & Lawton advertisement in The California Farmer (1869) indicating that all their silverplated wares are plated at The Pacific Plate Works (on H&L's property) and stamped with that name. Perhaps they cease using their own mark? Link to UCR newspaper archive: https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=CF18690624.1.5&
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Haynes & Lawton flower pots (?) ad dating to 1855 (scroll down column): https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=CF18550713. ... N--------1

Another ad places a shift of address of H&L Wholesale Crockery & Glass business in 1871 to quarters on Market under a hotel. It seems that their competition was circulating rumours of their demise.
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We have identified Lawton, but who is Haynes? Government lawsuit records show him to be one J. P. Haynes.
This name is linked to the state fairs in 1860, placing it in Del Norte (County) in the extreme northwest corner of California: https://books.google.com/books?id=k7LvL ... 's&f=false

In 1900 (The Argonaut newspaper), the name J. P. Haynes is associated with elections and referenced as Humboldt (same area), but this is many years beyond that firm. Could he be alive?
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What I'm finding is Judge John P. Haynes who became a state senator from that region. How he could be linked to Lawton is still uncovered.
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Going back to the original citing of Benjamin Haynes with Orlando Lawton, Benjamin's dwelling was listed as 612 Taylor in a city directory for 1869 just below the firm's entry: https://archive.org/details/sanfrancisc ... 8/mode/1up

No bio related to this Judge J. P. Haynes seems to involve this business.
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In the above directory, Haynes & Lawton have placed an ad on page 299. Nothing is coming up on Benjamin beyond the Supreme Court case of Whitaker v. Haynes in 1875. Of possible interest in that directory is Thomas J. Haynes (Real Estate) on Howard...probably the partner in the past firm of Ogden & Haynes, commission merchants of San Francisco. Daniel Haynes (railroad conductor) is located very nearby on Howard. And John W. Haynes (surveyor) seems to be the likely (known) brother of Thomas, with both named as members in the same lodge. Nothing has established Benjamin as a relative so far. The merchant thing could be coincidental...lots of fish in that pond.
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Richard Livingston Ogden is traceable here: https://www.midcontinent.org/rollingsto ... imball.htm

One shipping firms author notes that Ogden & Haynes (c. 1850 merchants) were responsible for the Celestial Line of ships (aka Oriental Line), but gives John as the name for Mr. Ogden???
Obituaries show John W. Haynes lost an infant son in 1865...no other obits for Haynes San Francisco in this era have been retrieved.
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Almost all the San Francisco directories one could need: https://sfpl.org/locations/main-library ... ooks/san-0

In 1852-3, there are ads for earlier firms dealing in either silverwares or crockery. [And there are two Haynes' listed as Jewelers.] Haynes & Lawton first surface in 1854 as Crockery dealers. (We have already seen an 1855 ad.) In 1856, they are Crockery & Etcetera Importers. This may include silverwares at this point, but not definite.

Thomas and John Haynes are clearly running firms (various names/partnerships) as commission merchants throughout this period, with Ogden not mentioned.
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Not to ascribe any particular origin to this fork, but to demonstrate that this applied design work was well known in the era, is an example here (courtesy member Goldstein) of St. Petersburg silver work by Kordes (dateable to 1859) in the thread design: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=49010&p=148785&hil ... es#p148785

Considering the pre-railroad era (before 1869) of Pacific trade, Russian silver had been brought into California for some time when it was still under Mexican control. Even after becoming a territory and then state, California maintained some level of trade with Russia as well as everyone else across the Pacific basin. If the marks and fork do pre-date the opening of the Pacific Plate Works, then it is possible that H&L may have been importing flatwares via ocean-route trade and this design would certainly have been recognizable from both foreign and domestic sources. The period between 1856 and 1869 leaves a large hole to be filled by further samples of their marked wares. While some hotels of the pioneer era did have dining services, the vast majority relied upon outside "eating houses" that were closeby. All of these would have been in need of a supply chain from a dependable source like H&L. And that doesn't even count all of the private households being established in these boom towns.
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As an aside and some background on earlier trade, a 2007 article on Russian Silver in Mexican California (again, not placing any origins on sources if this silverplate work fork): https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=24474
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Thanks for all the info, Traintime!

I'll capture a couple more pictures and bring them in tomorrow, but I'll provide a little more background behind the find.

I found this in a spot next to some other trinkets from around 1900. I uncovered a glass jar and lid made in Oakland at around 1920 about 20 feet away from the fork.
In pretty new to the hobby and tried a couple things to try to determine the composition. It isnt magnetic but if I run the magnet over it, it appears to be paramagnetic. I find it interesting that the middle tine was centered, which means that the previous owner likely kept using it after losing one tine.
In the same area, I find lots of cans discarded and flattened out areas that make it seem like it was a common hangout area for early travelers. I plan to keep scanning that area until I feel I've dug up most of what is in it. Hope to find some other stuff to throw on here down the road!

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Any sign someone was using the fork to punch out the lids on the cans?
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At the entry Reed, Henry Gooding...you will find Trev has posted this information on pre-1900 base metals used for plating with regard to Reed & Barton practices: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=41547&p=116613&hil ... oy#p116613
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