Bread Fork 'R&S S EP'

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SimonJersey
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Bread Fork 'R&S S EP'

Postby SimonJersey » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:59 am

Hello,
Please could anyone identify the maker of this silver plated bread serving fork?

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I'm sure this is also a known pattern, but I will post in the correct section after the maker has been identified:
"Flatware Pattern Identification - If you know the maker, but not the pattern"

Many thanks

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Re: Bread Fork 'R&S S EP'

Postby dognose » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:35 am

Hi Simon,

That mark is usually attributed to Roberts & Slater of Sheffield.

The pattern is most often referred too as Georgian (B), or Queen Anne. See: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=44102&p=126844

Trev

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Re: Bread Fork 'R&S S EP'

Postby SimonJersey » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:50 am

Thank you Trev for your help as always with the attribution - and for identifying the pattern too!
Best regards,
Simon

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Re: Bread Fork 'R&S S EP'

Postby dognose » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:49 am

Hi Simon,

I'm often less than comfortable with many of the attributions of plater's marks. Far too often in the past attributions have been made purely on the strength of initials fitting names or similarity of marks to one another etc. Once these appear in print, they are taken as gospel and never questioned, but as most of these marks were never registered or recorded at the time, there is often little evidence to back up such attributions and quite a few must be considered into the Possible/Probable way of referencing them.

This is why I wrote 'usually attributed' to this mark, as the more I think of it, the less comfortable I am. Roberts & Slater appear to disappear around 1860 when they became Roberts & Briggs, and the Queen Anne pattern I've always associated with the 1880's at the earliest. It's possible of course that the pattern was around earlier than I thought, but until something concrete turns up I would be a little wary of the attribution and keep an open mind on it..

Hopefully other members will add there thoughts.

Trev.

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Re: Bread Fork 'R&S S EP'

Postby SimonJersey » Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:01 pm

Thanks Trev, I did wonder looking at the dates if the maker was too early for the style, and knowing the plethora of undocumented makers that are out there - I'm sure there are a fair few others over the 19th/20th centuries with the initials 'R&S'.
Best,
Simon


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