Need Your help in the identify of the hallmark on a Shell Dish

[Serg1975]

Greetings to all participants of the Forum !
Need Your help.
I can not identify the mark on this subject.
The seller with high reputation has identified this item
as the German Silver Shell Dish Signed GEO III FORMS.
I would like to know also the time (period) of manufacturing
Thank you for your attention and assistance.
Regards.

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

All I can say is the last two marks contain devices popularly used by English silver platers.

'German Silver' was a popular marketing term used for plated wares, up until the Great War.

Trev.

[Serg1975]

Hi, Trev!
Thank you for your greeting. Your (now our) Forum - the best forum for amateurs and experts of silver.
I know about "German silver" and this problems.
I'm aware about the alpaca, neusilber (nickel silver) , german silver.
In the description of this object was a test - coin silver,
seller confirmed this, which is lower than sterling silver, but above .900
I have no reason not to trust him, tests in Moscow have shown the same thing.
This item - not a dispute, I'm really interested to know about this hallmarks.

There is another point. According ornament I have a version that is India, the colonial England, ore Asia.
A similar stamp has Hippolitus Poignand (Calcutta 1793-1805)
http://www.925-1000.com/AngloIndian_02.html#M
Although the subject looks like continental Europe, it seems that there are oriental motifs in the ornament.
Besides - the seller - a specialist-collector in Asian silver.
But I could be wrong.

Maybe someone have or someone has seen similar items?

Best regards, Sergey.

[Goldstein]

Hi Serg1975 -

the shown object do not look like European made - very crude and "homemade".
I enclose photos of German made objects - very en vogue at that time - in different sizes and styles available.




Regards
Goldstein

[AG2012]

Hi,
I`m afraid, based on the style, craftsmanship and ``starfish`` mark, it cannot be attributed to British silversmiths working in Calcutta.
Regards

[Serg1975]

Hi, Goldstein & AG2012
Thank you for your opinion. I agree with both of you.
What remains - Persia, Southeast Asia, Nederlands-Indië?
I do not want to abuse the hospitality of the Forum, but tomorrow I will try to place photos from other angles.
In the center - leaf of asparagus, quite thinly designed.

[Goldstein]

Hi Serg1975 -
I would opt for Vietnam. It is a crude (lack of skills and tools) copy of the known pattern without understanding the details. Just look at the dolphin legs.
They look more like tadpoles ....

Regards
Goldstein

[oel]

Hi Sergey,


I agree with Trev.The marks are typical silver plate marks; the first mark could represents a coat symbolic for a skin of silver, the Fleur the Lis, followed by a letter. Do not know how you have tested the fineness but I do know acid test on silver plated items can be very unreliable.
An other option could be we are looking at pseudo or fantasy marks.
Best,

Oel.

[Serg1975]

Hi, Oel!
Thanks, I will re-do a more serious analysis. Take a break.
Regards, Sergrey.