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is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:40 am
by Kigan
please can anyone identify if this fork was made of silver? who is the maker? country of origin? what are those stamps stand for? couldn't find an answer so far... thanks a lot!
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Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:33 am
by dognose
Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

That would be one of the many marks used by William Hutton of Sheffield.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_H3.html

and: http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate__OSP5.html

and: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=24438&hilit=hutton

The fork would have been plated.

Trev.

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:25 am
by samtron76df
Trev - I am brand new here and very interested in learning about hallmarks. I looked at the links you provided for William Hutton and I don't see one with just a "W" as shown by the poster. Are you sure it is by him? Just curious because it seems odd that an item would be marked with just a "W" when his last name starts with an H. Trying to learn.

Tks

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:38 am
by AG2012
Hi,
The mark in the middle is very distinctive.
They used a variety of marks, though.
Take a look here for more info.
viewtopic.php?t=22586
Regards

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:03 am
by samtron76df
Hi -

I still don't see it based on the link you gave. I do see an "A" that looks similar, but that is about it. What am I missing?

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:03 am
by AG2012
Hi,
An open triangle with two circles on top.
Also seen in ‚‚angle plate‚‚ to be found elsewhere when Googled.
Regards

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:33 am
by samtron76df
angle plate?

An open triangle with two circles on top.


I googled this and can't find anything. I'm just trying to learn and appreciate the info. Maybe the OP will find it and post the source. I would not get Hutton from this mark, but I guess that is where field experience comes in.

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:45 am
by samtron76df
... I see "angle plate" is listed as a company affiliated with Hutton...

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:36 pm
by AG2012
‚‚Triangle, open with curled sides # 33‚‚
http://www.silvercollection.eu/oldsheff ... marks.html
One cannot expect perfect match in every piece, and every variation has not been documented. But this is it.
Regards

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:56 pm
by samtron76df
Thank you for the link to that page - hadn't seen it. Respectfully I don't see it as being one in the same - but that is just my take. Trying to learn and appreciate the info.

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 12:20 am
by Kigan
Trev et al:
Happy new year folks!
Thank you very much for the input and very interesting discussion. Appreciate everyones' comments and links. Very informative and gives you food for thought. Although will take me to investigate the subject further...

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 2:29 am
by Kigan
anyway... first letter pretty obvious "w" - say, it means "william"...
second one : Gothic 'h"? or "k"?; third: triangle with curls?; fourth: looks like distinctive "A"; fifth: gothic "p"? stands for "plated"?

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:27 am
by AG2012
Hi,
There are many unidentified lattes and symbols on silver-plate. Various letters were used to denote the quality of plating, base metal,town and even dating.But it was not consistent and legislated.
We can only speculate whether ``A`` means the first quality and ``P`` stands for plate.
Regards

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:02 pm
by Kigan
this fork is silver plated not only by visual perceptions but by tactile too... i've got most answers to what i was looking for and liked the forum. thank you all. will be back someday.

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:36 am
by dognose
Another example of the Hutton mark on an item retailed by the Liverpool silversmith Lewis Samuel:

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Trev.

Re: is this fork Ag or silverplated?

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:34 am
by Kigan
super. thanks, Trev.