Lewis Samuel on Stuffing spoon - Needing help with marks

[pmpadley]

I have a stuffing spoon marked on the back of the handle: "LEWIS" over "SAMUEL" in one intaglio mark; then "W" in a circle, three marks in rectangles which I cannot identify, and "P" in a shield. I am not even sure that this is silverplate as it was in a large collection of coin silver. I can only find brief mention of Lewis Samuel as being a flatware maker in Liverpool, 1830-1841. The spoon is hefty and measures over 12". Can you help me identify these marks? Many thanks on advance on helping me with my first post.

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

It is silverplated.

In this case, Lewis Samuel of Liverpool, was the retailer, and William Hutton & Sons of Sheffield was the manufacturer.

For some other marks used by William Hutton, see: http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate_H.html

Trev.

[pmpadley]

Mystery solved! And so quickly, too. Thank you. If you will permit me a follow-up: I have now looked at numerous marks for Hutton & Sons. So, the triangle-shaped mark with the outward-rolled top tips stands for "Angle Plate" and it is an electroplating process? If the "W" is for William, is the "P" in the shield actually an "H" for Hutton? Or, is the "P" in the shield a date mark? Can you make out either of the two marks to the right and left of the Angle Plate mark? I wish I could discern them better, but they are either not well struck or worn down too far. Thanks again.

[dognose]

The triangle type device was the original trade mark used by William Hutton on Old Sheffield Plated items.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/silverplate__OSP5.html

The trade mark 'Angle Plate' I believe, came into use much later and was used only on Hutton's holloware items. As for the marks, 'W' and 'H' for William Hutton, the William Hutton trade mark, the next two, the 'A' and the sideways 'P' are just guesswork by me, the 'A' may be a quality indicator for the plating, it was fairly standard in the plating industry to indicate quality by such lettering 'A1', 'A', 'B', etc. but there was no regulation regarding these systems, so they are pretty meaningless. The 'P' may just be an indicator of 'Plated'. To my knowledge, Huttons never used a dating system.

I should also say that I made an error in my original reply, I stated that the maker was William Hutton & Sons, this is incorrect, they were only styled William Hutton and Son after 1864, and William Hutton & Sons after 1870. As Lewis Samuel was working somewhat earlier, then the maker was just William Hutton.

One other thing to mention is that William Hutton at this time did not plate the items themselves, they would have made the blanks and then out sourced someone else to actually process the electro plating, this, I assume, was perhaps because they were not in possession of a license from Elkingtons.

Trev.

[pmpadley]

Trev, Thank you, not only for the detailed reply, but also for directing me to a section of the website which I had not explored yet. I really appreciate your thorough follow-up. Gratefully, Pamela