Old Germany cream pot?

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dolpheus
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Old Germany cream pot?

Postby dolpheus » Thu May 20, 2010 8:07 pm

Hello friends,
anyone knows these hallmarks? I thing, they could be Germany before 1888, possibly Berlin?
This object is re-hallmarked (laser) in our country (Czech republic) and was approved as 925/1000 (or more) silver.
So, if anyone know this mark (lion or bear? to the left), mark "H" and triangle maker mark "A(S?) I", i very welcome every coments.

Thank you
M.

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Unbelievable! Alpacca Silver I assayed to be 925 (Sterling)

Postby silverport » Sat May 22, 2010 12:20 am

Hello Dolfeus

If you hadn’t documented, I wouldn’t believe it - we have already May, and not 1 April!

Your creamer is made by J. L. Herrmann AG, Vienna, Kärtnerstrasse 15 — from Alpacca, electro plated in I. quality!

The struck marks signification is as follow:

H, in a square = J. L. Herrmann AG

AS I, in a triangle = Alpacca Silver I. quality plated

Lion prancing to the left, in a hexagon = J. L. Herrmann AG symbol

J. L. Herrmann AG, a in general Electro Plated Hollowware producer became a while already before the First World War part of »Berndorfer Metallwarenfabrik Artur Krupp AG« - when they were ceased in or maybe after the Second World War I don’t know.

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Unbelievable! Alpacca Silver I assayed to be 925 (Sterling)

Postby silverport » Sat May 22, 2010 2:20 am

Hello Dolfeus

In your question you give us also the following information:

» This object is re-hallmarked (laser) in our country (Czech republic) and was approved as 925/1000 (or more) silver. «

By the usual electro plating processing is used on the Anode silver of 999-1,000 fineness — so the Czech assay officers were correct, when they found that the surface of your creamer is at least of 925-1,000 fineness, or higher of course. But in the Czech Republic exist also the fineness number 1 = 959-1,000 fineness = 40-1,000 fineness less then the real surface is containing.

Here I like to show you a copy of a catalogue’s title of »Berndorf«, from 1926 (I haven’t here an earlier one):

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Inner title of the catalogue »C« from 1926, of
»Konzernwerke der Berndorfer Metallwarenfabrik Arthur Krupp A.-G.«


There is mentioned the two company’s of W. Bachmann, and J. L. Herrmann A.-G. as a kind of virtual merger. Both under the former J. L. Herrmann prancing lion.

As I know, during a long time after the End of World War One the management of »Berndorf« permitted these company, also »J. C. Klinkosch« as well, to have the same range of products as before her integration in the »Berndorf Group«.

For historians remain a lot of researches - and now for the Czech Assay-Offices administration too.

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Unbelievable! Alpacca Silver I assayed to be 925 (Sterling)

Postby silverport » Sat May 22, 2010 7:03 am

Hello Dolfeus & all

Please look and read here; there are some information’s and marks examples given by Prof. David N. Nikogosyan:

http://www.ascasonline.org/windowAPRIL59.html

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Postby dolpheus » Sat May 22, 2010 8:10 am

Hello silverport,
many thanks for your info. This item was suspicious to me, but i dont understand, how it is possible, official Czech assay office approve it as 925/1000? Its really unbelievable.
So, anymore thanks,
best regards
M.

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Unbelievable! Alpacca Silver I assayed to be 925 (Sterling)

Postby silverport » Sat May 22, 2010 10:09 am

Hello dolpheus

Thank you there fore that you've posted your question - also for to enlarge our all knowledge!

Now you must be very precautionary!!!

It could happen that this »document« would be confiscated by the, or in order of the Czech Assay-Office Administration.

Prevent however the loss of this »document« - because it's an example there fore that lack of knowledge, or a not be evident testing method fails.

In each case how ever, it is now be known that it had existed.

I wish you success!

Kind regards silverport

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Postby dognose » Sat May 22, 2010 11:28 am

The Czech Assay Office has issued warnings in the past regarding false hallmarking.

See: http://www.puncovniurad.cz/en/zpravy.aspx?aid=56 and click on Falsificates

I'm sure they would be very interested in your item.

Trev.

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Postby dolpheus » Sat May 22, 2010 12:58 pm

Hello,
thanks for dognose's coment, but this IS NOT a falsificate, my friend was personally in assay office and has seen hallmarking of this item.
It is distressful, but it is not a first case - i have gold brooch, which our assay office aproved and rehallmarked as 585/1000, but some time later, i discover (it is seen surely) original gold hallmark (Austro-Hungarian) and it is gold 750/1000.
I show better photo of modern czech hallmark on creamer
(B is for city Brno, here recently begin laser-hallmarking, instead of classic punch-stamp)

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