Is this an 1880s Bremen spoon, perhaps sterling?

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Is this an 1880s Bremen spoon, perhaps sterling?

Postby Attic Cleaner » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:43 am

Thanks for the help on the baby-food pusher! I have another question.

I've already looked through the website and searched the forum, but I can't identify this spoon's composition & age. I've put this post in the silverplate forum because I'm just not able to tell.

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The bowl has a cityscape above the word “BREMEN”, which I think is the town in Germany. It seems to be a very sharp, clean embossed image. The building on the left of the bowl is a pretty reasonable likeness of the Bremen Cathedral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremen_Cathedral) down to the clock in one of the towers.

The top of the handle shows a key on a shield below a crown. It resembles a Bremen town mark (http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884.html) that would have been in use until the mid 1880s. I don't think the key has a Stade Gothic cross handle but everything else points to Bremen.

There are no makers marks or any other markings of any kind. No numbers indicating silver content, and no “STERLING”. The back of the handle has a few small pits (especially near the top of the handle) that could have been inclusions from casting before it was attached to the bowl. The spoon has a heavy coat of tarnish/patina which I'm afraid to remove. (I know it's a “bad idea” to polish a coin that has toning-- does the same rule apply to old silver spoons?) As far as I can tell around the tarnish, the spoon is silver. It could be silver-plated or it could have a silver content like .800 instead of .925, but there's nothing else on the spoon to give me a clue. I'm using my high-power reading glasses and the small inset lens of a lighted magnifier, so if there's a number or another mark on the handle then I'm pretty sure I'd either see it or see where it wore off.

This spoon has been in my family for at least five generations. My great-great grandfather emigrated from Germany in 1880, returned for a short visit in 1887 or 1888, and then never went back again. I'm still trying to find out where he was raised or whether he would have been likely to pick up a souvenir spoon in Bremen. However the dates of his travels could match the spoon's town mark and lack of other markings.

Any ideas on how I could figure out the spoon's composition or its date? Thanks again!

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Postby Hose_dk » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:22 pm

you can start by polishing - you can do no harm. Use man-power, no mashines.
I cannot open pictures - try posting new polished pictures.
Without Bremen mark, 800 or half moon&crown almost no chance that it is silver.

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Postby Attic Cleaner » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:37 pm

Hose_dk wrote:you can start by polishing - you can do no harm. Use man-power, no mashines.
I cannot open pictures - try posting new polished pictures.
Without Bremen mark, 800 or half moon&crown almost no chance that it is silver.

Sorry about that; I guess the "free" imagehost site is worth what I'm paying for it.

While I'm looking for the silver polish, let's try this one:

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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 170034.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 170035.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 170036.jpg

I don't know how to tell whether or not it's silver (or how much) if it pre-dates the marking systems.

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Postby admin » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:31 pm

attic cleaner wrote:
As suggested I've polished up the spoon for a better look since last time (viewtopic.php?p=40587#40587).

Still no markings anywhere other than the bowl. The handle still has the imitation of the Bremen city mark but its yellow/brassy tones on the back seem to be caused by the silver plating wearing off. Both the handle & bowl have several pits. The tarnish where the handle meets the bowl is very persistent, perhaps because of the solder.

All that I have with this spoon is my great-great-grandfather's emigration story. It was in a box with several other American sterling souvenir spoons of late 19th/early 20th century age plus a sterling baby food pusher, and none of them seem to be related to the Bremen spoon.

I can't determine whether the handle is an actual Bremen city mark or only an imitation. Is there any other way to determine the spoon's origin or age, let alone its authenticity?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 080014.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 080021.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 080023.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 080025.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/ ... 080026.jpg

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BREMEN, Germany souvenir spoon

Postby silverport » Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:28 pm

Hello Attic Cleaner

The shown spoon is a «Bremen» souvenir spoon — in yours case, in reality a «Memory spoon». Spoons material is founded brass, silver plated — the solder between handle and bowl is a silver alloy material.

On top of the handle is - from 1366 on shown - Bremen sovereignty symbol and town mark, the key of Apostle Peter. Bremen was from 787 to 845 Bishopric, then after Archbishopric. In bowl is shown (in a not very correct interpretation) towns marketplace with town hall (left side border) and «Roland» - both UNESCO world heritages; and Apostle Peter cathedral (left side). Town hall’s restaurant has Europe’s best selected wine cellar.

Bremen was in time of yours great-great grandfather emigrant’s last seen medieval European town.

They leaved Europe in Bremerhaven (Bremen Harbour) — about 60 km north of Bremen. If you like to search - http://www.deutsche-auswanderer-datenba ... php?id=154

Good luck!

Kind regards silverport


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