Makers mark help on old brooch

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Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby Curiouskev » Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:42 am

Could anyone help with the markings on this brooch. I would like to know where and when it was made. Additionally what is it made of?
I have searched the forum and cannot identify JWD or either mark either side of the Sterling mark. Many thanks in advance.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby dognose » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:08 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please embed your images.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby Curiouskev » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:50 am

Could anyone help with the markings on this brooch. I would like to know where and when it was made. Additionally what is it made of?
I have searched the forum and cannot identify JWD or either mark either side of the Sterling mark. Many thanks in advance.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby silvermakersmarks » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:58 am

You ask what is it made of and then you identify the sterling (lion passant) mark - that gives the answer. Note that the enamelled part may not be silver as it is attached to the hallmarked backing piece, but made separately. The other 2 marks are the anchor mark for the Birmingham Assay Office and the date letter E for 1979. The maker (or sponsor) JWD is not known to me.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby Curiouskev » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:04 am

Thank you for your reply. I was hesitant to identify as silver as it looks plated. It certainly looks older than 1979? the enameling appears to be at least 100 years old.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby AG2012 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:27 am

Hi,
Your images cropped and embedded.
It is Worshipful Company of Merchant Taylors, brooch / pendant made of sterling silver.
Looks like Birmingham anchor city mark and date letter e for 1979.
Cannot identify the maker, though.
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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby dognose » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:29 am

Concur with Phil and AG2012, Birmingham 1979.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby AG2012 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:34 am

It is common practice in jewelry and badges to make enameled pieces (parts) separately and then attach them with rivets.
Additional hard soldering cannot be done because extreme heat needed for soldering would destroy the enamel.
Meaning, every part of this brooch was made in the same year, i.e. 1979; there is nothing to support otherwise.
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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby user701 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:23 am

That is the first time ever I have seen rivets like that attaching the enamel sections on jewellery brooches, sweetheart brooches and military badges.

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Re: Makers mark help on old brooch

Postby AG2012 » Fri Nov 06, 2020 5:17 am

This badge is very complex; like military orders and breast stars (made of several parts cast or die stamped in high relief). High-end jewelry is sometimes made of several parts, too. If there is enamel on those parts to be attached when the whole badge is assembled hard soldering is impossible because high temperature destroys the enamel. Therefore, different parts can be fixed with prongs or rivets (as seen e.g. this rare Monaco Order of Saint Charles made of silver, gold and enamel assembled with both prongs and rivets - my arrows).Even maker`s plaque is attached with prongs (Halley, Montpensier of Paris France).There is no alternative unless one wants those parts glued or soft soldered with tin-lead which certainly makes no sense when dealing with precious metals.
In conclusion: the badge shown here is extremely well made, it is genuine and intact.

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