sterling sliver pocket watch

[Brim]

Hello all,

Can someone please tell me what these marks are on this sterling silver pocket watch? Please see attached pictures

My own uninitiated findings aren't conclusive, but I think the following:

date letter "d" is for 1852?
The lion passant is for British sterling silver
together with the shield would indicate York, but the shield has some kind of crossed swords or other over it so not sure what that is.
Can't find a make "HR" for York in that period.

The spherical chain attachment has a "TB" on one side and the other has some worn down hallmarks you can see it the pictures attached.

I'd be grateful for any information as its all Dutch to me!
Many thanks
Brim

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[oel]

Hello,

Welcome to the forum,

The Leopard head for London and date letter D for 1859-1860

Oel

[Brim]

Hello,

Welcome to the forum,

The Leopard head for London and date letter D for 1859-1860

Oel

Thanks for that Oel. Much appeciated. Woulde never had guessed that was a leopard's head and not a shield!

Any ideas who the maker HR might be? I can't see an HR on the London makers list on this site...?

Also, why would there be a different maker (TB = Thomas Baker?) on the spherical bit that the chain attaches to?

Cheers

[oel]

Hi,

Thomas Barker I believe to be a cutlery maker not clock case maker and his time frame does not match. HR does not strike me to be a maker’s mark; it is without cartouche or shield. It is not unusual to see watch appendages with other maker’s mark. We better wait upon our British experts, perhaps they can throw more light on the maker’s mark.

Oel

[2209patrick]

Hello.

The HR incuse mark (no cameo) is likely the makers mark.

My guess is Henry Ratcliff who entered his incuse mark at London on May 5, 1856.
Source: "Watch Case Makers of England" by Philip T. Priestley.

Pat.

[Brim]

That's Wonderful thanks ver much Oel and Pat!

I did wonder why the HR maker's mark wasn't in relief.

I can't seem to find Henry Ratcliff on here or when I google him. Any ideas about where I might find something on the internet?

Many thanks

Brim

[2209patrick]

Best I can do is a scan from the London section of the book.
"Inc" to the right of HR indicates an incuse mark.



Pat.