Liev Eriksonn Broach Maker Question

[silverly]

I'm looking for any information at all about this broach. The wording on the front of it looks like Liev Eriksonn, opoager Amerika, Anno 999-1000, and the mark on the back looks like Mønsterb maybe. Any help will be very much appreciated.

[dognose]

Hi Pat,

Here's the link to the info on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leif_Ericson

Regards Tref.

[silverly]

Thanks Trev. I have found a Norwegain souvenir spoon that is marked Mønsterb also, but I don't know if that is a manufacturer, retailer, location, a mispelling in my case and the other or something else.

[dognose]

It would be MØNSTER, the idicator of design copyright, but I'm not sure about the 'B'.

See: http://www.925-1000.com/Fnorway_marks.html

Trev.

[silverly]

Thanks again Trev. The "b" appears to be present in my example and on the souvenir spoon I mentioned. I'm wondering if it could be Mønsterb. which may be an abreviation for Mønsterbøn. This actually gets me no closer at this point, but it does make me wonder. Oh well, maybe at some point, somebody will come across this post that can shed some more light on the subject.

[dognose]

One thought that does cross my mind, and I'm probably clutching at straws. Could it be Icelandic? They may have a slightly different way of expressing the design copyright.

Trev.

[silverly]

Same here as far as clutching at straws is concerned. Dutch also seemed like a possibility because of the workmanship. I thought the word opoager might be a give away too for someone with the right language skills.

[silverport]

Hello silverly

The text isn't Dutch - maybe for sure also not the workmanship.

OPDAGER signification in Norwegian (but there orthographically written a little bit different) is Discoverer.

Kind regards silverport

[silverport]

Hello again

MØNSTERB. = MØNSTER BESKYTTELSE (e.g. in German: MØNSTER = Muster, BESKYTTELSE = beschützt) signification is Model Protected.

Just I’ve phoned a member of our Foreigners Association, who is a Norwegian.

He confirmed that MØNSTERB. is a abbreviation (in this case, and on the souvenir spoon for reason of lack of space) for MØNSTER BESKYTTELSE — and the signification is Model Protected.

He confirmed also that OPDAGER signification in Norwegian (written now: OPPDAGER) is Discoverer. But he is too young for to could say, that maybe in the past the word was written only with one P.

My conclusion is that this was written wrong for reason to have a kind of historic “document”.

In Icelandic a Discoverer is UPPGÖTVAð

Kind regards silverport

[silverly]

Thank you very much silverport. Your information all fits very well with the little that I know about this item. It looks like it is probably nickel-silver, and the design is interesting to me. I especially like the wreath of birds (eagles?) around the outside of it.

[silverport]

Hello silverly

Yes, this broche is very impressive in her expressive style of all = Art work!

An Art work of visual calculated, and an expressive story telling close up, like as a »Biblia pauperum«:

The ship of Vikings — in fore front Leiv, observing the far, hand on forehead, so as everybody would do. A better sight you would have, I’ve observed if you form with both hands a “binocular” — but Leiv is handicapped by his left hand on his sword and by his shield as well. On his shield a cross — symbolic of his new religion. Not they of his other companions; only his shield is bearing the cross!

The sea surge up in already be calming waves — like dogs doe when they observe her possessor is coming. It’s cloudy weather — the rising moon as another symbol. Wind sufficient for to push the ship, sailing to the promises.

The small ribbon, in his style more Art Nouveau than Celtic, frames the scene. And the frames around the ribbon are gulls, seafarers’ companions.

As already stated by me: An visual calculated expressive Art work!

There existing many forms of names written: Leiv Erikson, Leiv Eriksson, Leifur Eiriksson, Leif Erikson, Leif Ericsson, Leif Eriksson, Leif Erickson, Leiv Eiriksson …

But also there is existing many date giving’s for the discovering itself, I wouldn’t repeat.

Now I must make a little correction: OPDAGER may be Dutch as well!

»opdagen« is most times used for describing »turn up« or »crop up« or »arise«; maybe it’s also their word of describing »come up« or »emerge«? Well my »Van Dale« is in my archive in Spain — Dutch and English aren’t my languages; which I’ve learned also in very few lessons only.

Summary: As dragonflywink Cheryl has stated on 22 February 2008, in another theme: »as a collector of both silver and some silverplate (the design is the important thing for me)«

Kind regards silverport

[silverly]

Thanks for your description silverport. You are far more observant than I am.

I'm kind of wondering if the birds are seagulls.

[silverport]

Hello silverly

I haven’t Photos of Norwegian, Icelandic, Greenlandic or North American gulls — I’m not a zoologist; please ask one of them.


Here I like to show you a Portuguese gull; please observe their head, especially their bill. That the artist has made an Art work, and not a gulls portrait of a North American gull, or Eagle as you like to interpret, is well to see?

In General: Artists aren’t employees of a property registry offices; also if they’ve the intellectual capacity there fore. Artists make e.g. an excerpt of something to tell a story! A story, that others who be gifted to »see« could see what he is telling them. I »saw« the story as well.

There is e.g. maybe a button fitted with crosswise stitches — secret sign of a group, in which the portrayed person was a member. He »saw« it and applied it in his sculpture, or painting.

In your case the artist has had only about 12 square centimetres to tell a »Millenniums story«; surrounded by about 12 square centimetres more for the adequate frame.

Now here a similar story — but study here in the picture also the gulls buzz around:




Summary: I appreciate the impression of your artists work — I think: You too — much more then ever before?

In the »Little Prince« the fox teached the Little Prince: »Só se vê bem com o coração. O essencial é invisivel para os olhos ...« (You would »see« well only with your hart - the essential is invisible for the eyes ...«

Kind regards silverport

[silverly]

Thanks silverport. I'll settle for seagulls even without a zoologist's opinion. They just make the most sense. Also I noticed that I should have written Leiv instead Liev. Oh well.

[silverly]

After one more search for a mark, low and behold there it was. 830S silver with a mark that is indistinguishable to me. The image is not the greatest but there might be enough of it showing for someone to recognize a maker. Could it be an Icelandic piece?

[Tosten]

You kan see the mark on the right side.
It is NE in a horse-shoe - Nils M. Elvik in Oslo, started up in 1910 and the company is still in work.
Regards Tosten

[silverly]

That's great! I did see the conjoined NE but wasn't sure about it. Many, many thanks.