Unknown hallmarks on bracelet

[gfhug]

Hello, new to this forum and so please forgive me if this is posted in the wrong area.

I'm trying to identify the hallmarks on a silver(?) bracelet. The first hallmark appears to be two crowns with a letter J between them, the other looks like the head of a bird or dog, perhaps, with the numbers 833 under it. No other marks on the item. The bracelet is about 20 cm, 8 inches long.

Two photos to help, and my thanks to anyone who can help.
(BTW I did search through the 928-1000 website before posting this, but couldn't see any marks like these. Forgive me if I missed them in an obvious place).

gfhug

[dognose]

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

The birds head mark indicates that your bracelet was assayed at Porto (Portugal). 833 is the silver standard 833/1000.

The other mark, I guess, is the maker, sorry I can't help with that one.

Trev.

http://www.925-1000.com/Fportugal.html

[gfhug]

Hello Trev

Thank you for the information. Must have missed the Portoguese marks when trawling through the website.

Is there anyway of guessing a date, or did they not use date marks?

Cheers

[dognose]

Hi,

I believe that mark was introduced in 1938 and dropped in 1984.



Trev.

[gfhug]

Thanks again, Trev

Cheers

[silverport]

Hello gfhug

Trev. has already explained shown fineness mark for Silver.

Date-mark weren’t in use — but sometimes exist an approximation. By incidence, especially in this case could be defined an approximation of maximum = 9 years: 1976-1984. Maker’s mark was registered in Porto in 1976; and use of this fineness mark ends 31 December 1984.

Maker of your bracelet is Joaquim Fernando Perreira Martíns Ferreira, Silversmith in Águiar (Gondomar County), Portugal.

Here follows Guide’s original text:

»N.º 4722 - Marca de ourives de Águiar (Gondomar) Joaquim Fernando Perreira Martíns Ferreira, registado no Porto, em 1976.«

Translation:

»Nr. 4722 — Mark for Silversmith from Águiar [Aigle] (Gondomar County) Joaquim Fernando Perreira Martíns Ferreira, registered in Porto, in 1976.«

Source: «Marcas de Contrastes e Ourives Portugueses» ISBN 972-27-0773-6. Vol. II (1887 à 1993). Reprint 3rd ed. 1997, Lisbon.

Page 13, N.º 65 (Assay Mark Porto/Gondomar, for Silver 833/1,000 fineness, in use from 1938 — 31 December 1984).

Page 483, N.º 4722 Maker’s Mark registered 1976 in Porto, for Joaquim Fernando Perreira Martíns Ferreira, Silversmith in Águiar (Gondomar County), Portugal

Additional information: Águiar [Aigle] (Gondomar County) you could find here in »google maps«: 41.141853,-8.536119

Kind regards silverport

[gfhug]

Hello Silverport

Many thanks for that comprehensive reply.

Regards
gfhug

[silverport]

Hello again gfhug

You are welcome.

My compliments:

You’ve made relative good photography’s, especially that of maker’s mark!
You’ve posted these photos as a permanent attachment to your question!
You’ve remained in contact with »925-1000« - and maybe you’ve had hope that some day …

It happen that additional photography’s aren’t any more available — sometimes already after some weeks, maybe month’s only!

In maker’s mark integrated J was first a guess only — it’s normal that always the questioner has the original object only, for confirmation. That is most times a real problem for us, to make a sounded attempt of research.

But in your case, it is a jewellery object — so I tended more to “see” on left and right side very stylized old style »crowns« of King and Queen; instead of three flames candelabras.

After have passed more then 4,000 marks, many of them well ignored, I’ve got the idea to look through appendix marks — goal for you!

More then one year has past now — and by incidence I’ve seen your question, and also by incidence only got the result. [i]Because this maker’s mark is much hidden after an appendix of assay marks, in use from 1 January 1985 on — in relation to its own timeframe, been registered in 1976.[/i]

There fore I’m happy that you’ve now a sounded result.

In that area of Gondomar many silversmiths are specialized in making jewellery — and the apprentices are getting there a professional sounded education as well.

Kind regards silverport