Japanese master?

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Japanese master?

Postby zilverik » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:59 am

Hi,

This is a nice bowl. Probably Japanese. Weight 465 gr.; high: 27 cm; high: 3 cm. The makersmark is in Japanese. Who could it be? When did he worked? Is there a message around the makersmark? Sorry for my fingerprint in the photo of the marks.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby rauls » Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:44 pm

The 2nd picture isn't shown now. Please add one again.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby zilverik » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:00 pm

Hi,

I have no idea why that second photo was removed. Here it is again.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby rauls » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:53 am

"優勝" means winner or superior, "一木會" should be an organization in Japan, but when I googled I found a company, an alumni association of a collage and a calligraphy association are using the same name. Maybe someone became the winner in an event of the calligraphy association and then was presented this plate, I couldn't make sure. Also, if the other mark is "純銀" then I will tell you it should be solid silver, however it's "銀製"

which means "made by silver" in Japan and can be either solid silver or silver plated.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby rauls » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:03 am

I looked those carved chars carefully and it appears to me there isn't another kind of base metal, so it's very likely to be solid silver. I explained all the 'marks' in the last post, you can see there is no mark of the silver smith or deals can be found. We can only know it was orded by the organization named "一木會" for a winner of a competition or event.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby zilverik » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:36 am

Hi rauls,

Thank you very much for your information. I am sure that these bowl are solid silver. It is tested. What I did't know was the story you could make out of the Japanese signs. Very interesting that it is meant for the winner of a competition or event. What timeperiod do you think it was made? Around 1900-1920? Or 1920-1940? Or after the war?

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby rauls » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:56 am

zilverik wrote:What timeperiod do you think it was made? Around 1900-1920? Or 1920-1940? Or after the war?


Hello Zilverik,

IMHO, it's after war.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby zilverik » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Hi Rauls,

Thank you very much!

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby davidross » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:55 pm

The most probable reading of the inscription is "Ichi Moku Kai," e.g. "First Thursday Club," a group meeting once a month, on the first Thursday. As Rauls has already intimated, there are countless possibilities, as there are many first Thursday clubs for studying, hobbies, games, arts, and so on, in every part of Japan.

The traditional kanji for "kai" (seen on the plate) was officially simplified in the early 1950s, but in proper names the older kanji was often retained for many years after that down to the present. The use of the older character only means there is some possibility (in this case slight, in my opinion) of the piece dating to before 1950.

Rauls has already given the translation of "Yusho," which generally corresponds to "First Place" or "First Prize."

Having seen many of these presentation pieces in Japanese homes, I would concur with Rauls that this is post-WWII, probably 1960s or 70s. Were it prewar, when such clubs and awards were the exclusive domain of the leisure class, it would almost certainly have been more crisply inscribed in a calligraphic hand or with stylized kanji, and with more complete information (the logo/seal or full name of the presenting club or parent organization, the name of the recipient, the date or event of presentation).

To my eye, while the engraving is quite legible, the style is rather rudimentary. The sparseness of information in the engraving, and the lack of a maker's mark (assuming that "GINSEI" is the only mark applied at the factory) point to postwar mass-produced silverplate, but this is only one opinion, and based on photos at that.

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby zilverik » Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:03 pm

Hi davisross,

Very good information. Thanks!

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Re: Japanese master?

Postby rauls » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:04 am

davidross wrote:The traditional kanji for "kai" (seen on the plate) was officially simplified in the early 1950s, but in proper names the older kanji was often retained for many years after that down to the present. The use of the older character only means there is some possibility (in this case slight, in my opinion) of the piece dating to before 1950.


Good point. In 1960s, both Japan and mainland China simplified those Chinese characters (called Kanji in Japanese or Hanzi in Chinese) they were using officially, after that ""(kai) now writes "会".


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