Chinese/Thai Ice Bucket Failed Authentication Tests

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MGArgent
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Chinese/Thai Ice Bucket Failed Authentication Tests

Postby MGArgent » Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:31 pm

Hi Forum,

I recently purchased an item through an online auction and found that it was not actually silver so I wanted to remind members/guests of some helpful non-destructive methods that can be useful for authenticating silver items from home.

The item I purchased was a Chinese/Thai champagne ice bucket which was described as having been acid tested as 0.800+ silver. The item's cartouches were engraved in Thai, while the marks on the bottom were in Chinese characters.

The item was marked with the characters 足銀 which translates to "pure silver" and will usually indicate a genuine silver piece.

Immediately after receiving the item there were some initial indications that the item was not silver:

  1. "Pinging" the item resulted in a dull/tin thud instead of a high pitch ring/resonating sound expected from silver
  2. The dirt/tarnish on the item did not produce an acrid smell that typically emanates from tarnished silver
The bucket was then subjected to the following authentication tests:

  1. Specific Gravity Test
    • The bucket's specific gravity measured approximately 9.0-9.2
    • Genuine 0.800 silver should have a specific gravity of approximately 10.0-10.2
  2. Sliding Magnet Test
    • Sliding a magnet across genuine silver will induce a counter-acting force that will oppose the magnet's motion and slow it down
    • The bucket did not produce a counter-acting force and the magnet slid rapidly down its surface. This was very apparent when comparing side-by-side with 0.925 and 0.826 silver pieces

One caveat is that the sliding magnet test may not be effective in differentiating from silver-plated copper because copper will also produce a similarly strong counter-acting force that opposes the magnet's motion.

Running these test helped to confirm that the item was not actually silver and allowed me to receive a full refund for the purchase/shipping costs. Hopefully someone else may find this information useful.

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MGArgent
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Re: Chinese/Thai Ice Bucket Failed Authentication Tests

Postby MGArgent » Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:24 am

Here is a really quick video showing the sliding magnet test on the champagne ice bucket: https://youtu.be/FbJKi17KK-Q

The items in order of being tested are:

1) US Reed & Barton Sterling X959R Windsor Bread Tray - 92.5% sterling silver
2) Danish Carl M. Cohr 1954 Sauce Pot - 82.6% silver
3) Chinese/Thai Champagne Ice Bucket marked 足銀 (pure silver) - not silver

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Re: Chinese/Thai Ice Bucket Failed Authentication Tests

Postby dognose » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:53 am

Hi,

This is very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Trev.


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