What does this arabic mark mean?

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metalminnie
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What does this arabic mark mean?

Postby metalminnie » Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:13 pm

I have this beautiful silver server.
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It has this arabic mark.
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Does anyone know what it means please?
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Metalminnie

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Postby Doos » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:51 pm

Hi,

Dunno what the arabic text means, but it looks like a dolma server to me.

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Postby qxzruf » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:46 pm

It reads like "CLANTON" . I am an arabic speaker and the writing is probably turkish written in arabic characters.

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Postby qxzruf » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:48 pm

It can also read as "CLANTAZ" - the last letter is either a Z or an N Arabic alphabet.

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Postby Hada » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:10 am

It reads " Clinton"

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Hada

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Re: What does this arabic mark mean?

Postby dognose » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:13 am

As it turned out, the translation was 'Kelantan'.

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Re: What does this arabic mark mean?

Postby AG2012 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:36 pm

probably Turkish written in Arabic characters

Just crossed my mind; I happen to have an old Turkish beaker and wanted to know the meaning of the embossed sentence. (Actually I knew it was Turkish and its provenance). Asked a very educated Turkish diplomat to read it; no way! After Atatürk's Reforms Arabic alphabet is studied within very limited academic circles in Turkey.

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Re: What does this arabic mark mean?

Postby WarrenKundis » Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:14 pm

An interesting comment AG2012, I had done the same thing with an Ottoman Turkish beaker to three very well educated Turkish friends. But all they were trying to do was read was a date. They explained that during the Ottoman Turkish empire which was so vast they used three calendars: the Islamic, Gregorian, and the Rumi.

Did the same thing in reverse when trying to identify what turned out to be a mid 19th century Ottoman Turkish astrolabe-quadrant that used the Arabic alphabet to write the Turkish language. My Arab friends were dumbfounded. It took the Arabic calligrapher Mohamed Zakariya who is Turkish trained to translate it properly.

Going back to the Jawi above, may be more correct to refer to it as the Jawi alphabet that was and still adapted for use in writing the Malay and several other languages in Southeast Asia. Many cultures practice Islam but their native tongues are different from the original Arabic language. Even the Arabic spoken today in Egypt varies from what is spoken in the Gulf States, Morraco, Saudi Arabia, etc. Qur'anic Arabic is the primary link that binds all Muslims together. I'm sure Hada can explain it far better than I can.

Warren


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