Silver beaker with unknown marks

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zaemp
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Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby zaemp » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:04 am

Hello,

I'm looking for help with these marks on a silver beaker. The marks appear 2 x as a couple on the beaker.

Initially I thought the beaker was French because one of the marks seems to be a cock, but I am not sure anymore.

Has anybody seen these marks together? The beaker is made of solid silver and appears to be old.

Thank you very much in advance,

Peter

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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:41 am

Hi,
Not French marks but very interesting,indeed.The fineness is .900 silver (Arabic 90 in the mark).
The year is 1803 and it is not Hijri (Islamic) calendar but Gregorian year 1804 of western calendar.
That`s all I can tell.
Regards

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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:58 am

This set of marks is very similar, but with Sultan`s Tughra of Ottoman Empire.
The fineness mark looks like later Egyptian Cairo marks, except the town mark is at the bottom instead of the top, like they had later.
Until 1882 Egypt was formally ruled by a viceroy appointed by the Ottoman sultan.
In short,I opt for Cairo.
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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby zaemp » Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:47 am

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Not French marks but very interesting,indeed.The fineness is .900 silver (Arabic 90 in the mark).
The year is 1803 and it is not Hijri (Islamic) calendar but Gregorian year 1804 of western calendar.
That`s all I can tell.
Regards


Thank you very much for this tremendous help!
Where/how do you read date?

Best regards, Peter

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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby AG2012 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:10 pm

In Arabic numerals 1803 under Tremolierstrich (wavy line). Must be the year,linking it to something else makes no sense.Although it is unusual to see western (Gregorian) calendar years in Islamic silver;one would expect Hijri year (for 1803 it would be 1218).

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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby zaemp » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:31 pm

AG2012 wrote:In Arabic numerals 1803 under Tremolierstrich (wavy line). Must be the year,linking it to something else makes no sense.Although it is unusual to see western (Gregorian) calendar years in Islamic silver;one would expect Hijri year (for 1803 it would be 1218).

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Great help! Thank's again!
This is what the beaker looks like on the whole.
There is another mark on the handle that seems to be the fineness mark again.
And it is possible to unscrew the handle.

Best regards, Peter

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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby zaemp » Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:39 pm

Sorry: You can unscrew the base plate, not the handle.

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Re: Silver beaker with unknown marks

Postby lemecdutex » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:45 pm

Quite often pieces that can be separated are each marked to ensure that the whole thing is solid silver. Interesting piece!

zaemp wrote:Sorry: You can unscrew the base plate, not the handle.


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