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Hi, These are the marks from Clasen. As you can see the town mark and the warden mark look the same as on the knife. These marks are dated 1763-1769. Maker mark "ER" is dated about 80 years earlier, according to Clasen. Although the maker mark looks a lot like the maker mark on the knife, ...

Found him in another book as well. In Carl-Wilhelm Clasen, "Rheinische Silbermarken" , page 213 "nr. 923. Meister ER. Veilleicht Eberhart Raiben, Bueger 1689." The master mark (925/929) looks very much alike. The town mark (928) for 1763-1769 and the warden mark (931) for 1763-17...

Hi Oel,

The key fits all right, but what about ca 1689? Nice picture of the towns mark by the way.

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Zilverik

Interesting, but for me ca 1689 doesn't match the form of the handle as well. What is the city Eberhard Raiben worked? Is that key in the city mark?

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Zilverik

Never seen the combination of these marks. I bought French silver (Tetard et freres) in Cairo with only French marks.

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Zilverik

Because the end of the key that is to hold has square, I looked at Bremen. In Scheffler's "Goldschmiede Niedersachsens" I could not find a plausible (19e/20e century) "ER". Maybe it's not an "E"?

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Zilverik

I just found out that I mixed the information up. The cutleries are from 1847. That is a fact. So FS had to work in 1847.
Sorry for the confusion.

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Zilverik

Crowned M could be: Mexico 1791-1818?

Hello Jack, I had a better look. My best guesses before can't be correct. Franz Simmerl worked from 1843 till 1868. J.C. Klinkosch started his own company in 1869 (before he worked with Mayerhofen). So, the period differs. Franz Schubert worked till 1862. Franz Schnepf (Lexicon part II, page 192 Wie...

Hi David R,

Yes you are right. The box is not made of silver, but brass. The marks are fantasymarks.
Thanks

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Zilverik

Doesn't look French to me.

Just a guess. Forgery Spanish colonial mark?

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Zilverik

Still difficult. According to Neuwirth there are 32 marks "FS" between 1781 and 1866 of witch 6 with a dot. Is there a dot between the "F" and "S"? Or is that the light that it looks like a dot? Without the dot I guess marknr. P840 Franz Simmerl (B 1843) or marknr. P847...

Hi silverfan, I count 16 Stern's in Neuwirth's book. Silversmiths, factories and retailers/juwelers. Come to think of it, the name STERN on your knife is probably more the retailers/juwelers name than the name of the silversmith. The 16 names are sometimes mentioned that it is clearly a silversmith ...

The Cardeilhac-mark on this chamber stick was used between 1851-1904. The new "Napoleon-barons" still existed in those days?

Thank you JayT. Yes this helps. I wish you a healthy and good new year . The field of the family crests is unknown to me. Very interesting. Lately there was a crests that intrigued me and now I am looking at my collection in a different way. It is not that I only see crests and crowned monograms now...

This French chamber stick (Cardeilhac, 250 gr. ; Length overall 20 cm; height 5,8 cm; "diameter" 13,5 cm) is made with the cut-card technique. An applique technique in which the required motif was cut from a sheet of silver and then soldered onto the piece. Apparently the same happened wit...

This chamber stick was in 2011 in de French silver forum, because I couldn't find the maker: "Daubree who knows more about him?" Thanks to the forum (jgl) the master is know now: AD = Alfred Daubree. He made bronzes as well. Not surprised that the chamber stick is all cast silver. Weight 4...

This chamber stick has all the marks it should have. Maker's mark: a crowned fleur-de-lis, two grains, HA, an orb = Paris maker Henry Allain. Born 1699(?), master 1745. Warden's mark 1744-1750, warden Antoine Leschaudel. Date letter "I" = 1749. Decharge on the holder. Weight 150 gr. Height...

This French chamber stick has a weight of 300 grams. The French minerve mark on all the parts where it should be. No makers mark at all. Also no rubbed mark. Maybe the crest has something to do that there is no makers mark? What family is behind the coat of arms? Regards, Zilverik https://www.925-10...

Could also be the jewelers mark "STERN": Wiener Gold und Silberschmiede und ihre punzen, 1867-1922, Neuwirth, Lexicon II, page 232.

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Zilverik