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AG2012 wrote:Hi,

Zwolle in Netherlands.
What was the mark of Zwolle ?

Netherlands with only two marks?
I don't believe it.

Hi Theo I have no Informations that church silver being counterfeited, but I am learning. Well, you can also find church silver items with fancy hallmarks. For example in this cross https://www.beweb.chiesacattolica.it/benistorici/bene/3155492/Bottega+napoletana+%281710%29%2C+Croce+astile# you can ...

Hi, Do not take it for granted the chalice in this condition being over 300 years old. Catholic Church Supplies and Church Goods from Poland and elsewhere make excellent Baroque replicas in gilt silver; chased and embossed.Attractive and lucrative marks and engravings are added by unscrupulous deal...

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Attractive and lucrative marks and engravings are added by unscrupulous dealers.
Regards

This engravings and this marks looks very OK for me.

GeorgeG wrote:Thank you very much for information and your time

I thank You for your interesting question and images.
Your question and the images are the base to solve this old riddle.

So I think it would bei Vreden.


In Scheffler p. 975
Vreden Nr.1 is a maker Witte. His son Theodor became an apprentice in 1708 (6 Years) in Coesfeld.

very nice 1684 in Vreden ... another Chalice is in Coesfeld from 1670? or 1676 ref W.Scheffler p62 The maker is not known and in Scheffler was "Zuschreibung unter Vorbehalt" the town Attendorn. But I think it is not Attendorn. There was an other objekt on an Lempertz-Auktion from this make...

Hello George,
is there any engravin with a name or town or date?

Hi Theoderich, can you confirm if I am interpreting your last post correct? I think you are saying that you have seen these marks before, and that they were from a large Hanau based company that produced numerous goods, but the company hasn't been identified? it was a very big Company, but I do not...

it was a very big company, there are so many objects and marks
but I do not know the name of this company

this are Pseudomarks ca. 1890
It is not Augsburg.

https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_hanau_marks_01.html

Schleissner, Hanau (s475*)

https://abload.de/img/loeffel_unbekannt_182mijfk.jpg Ok, these two persons are Chrysanthus and Daria, both are Christian martyrs and are the patron saint of judges. The Libra means market and high court. Their relics are kept in Bad Münstereifel. So I think that CWF could be a goldsmith in Bad Müns...

https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52456 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x600q90/923/W0h8zn.jpg Christoph F. Sick Stuttgart it is to many time away, so I can not remember which objet it was. Possibly this was also an objekt of Neresheimer with a pseudo-Hallmark of Stuttgart.

Theo, thank you very much for the update. Peter. there is a better image of spoon https://abload.de/img/loeffel_hanau_1780_hmnrk86.jpg is in the book of Mr. Elias Voet jr. about the mark http://abload.de/img/stempel2utksc.jpg a makers mark and/of yearsletter mentioned?

Theodor Strube was a maker in Leipzig.
Later it was Strube&Sohn-company

yes - The Hallmark would fit more to Germany . But I do not think it is Hanau . Now I think it is Hanau. There is a spoon of Hanau Neustadt ca. 1790. The marks are also on top of spoon. https://abload.de/img/loeffel_hanau_1790_ichjkdr.jpg But I think this is another spoon of the maker [HM] in Hauna...

Other examples of Romanian marks:

there is a spoon looks like french style but with (13) lot-mark.
Makersmark is IS in a rhombus and 6 balls in a triangle.

any Idea?