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by Mart
Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: other20
Replies: 3
Views: 1170

Re: other20

Dzerzhinsky Plant, Kiev.
by Mart
Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:29 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Jewelry14
Replies: 10
Views: 1558

Re: Jewelry14

A small correction - 1965. The star was not used until 1958.
by Mart
Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:11 pm
Forum: Silverplate Trademarks - Worldwide
Topic: Russian ? silver ?
Replies: 14
Views: 3825

Re: Russian ? silver ?

The letter "I" was in the Russian alphabet in those years.
by Mart
Wed Nov 03, 2021 10:46 am
Forum: Silverplate Trademarks - Worldwide
Topic: Russian ? silver ?
Replies: 14
Views: 3825

Re: Russian ? silver ?

Correction. I think that Ivan was the owner of the factory in 1839-1852(54).
by Mart
Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:08 pm
Forum: Silverplate Trademarks - Worldwide
Topic: Russian ? silver ?
Replies: 14
Views: 3825

Re: Russian ? silver ?

The brand is "ФIК" , where «Ф» (F) is a Factory. The Kcimantovsky factory. Silvering is not really my topic, but I have seen such marks «ФIК». And he had other brands. It is ok. I think that the years of creation of this product are approximately 1844-1852. Maybe a little earlier. There is...
by Mart
Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:57 am
Forum: Silverplate Trademarks - Worldwide
Topic: Russian ? silver ?
Replies: 14
Views: 3825

Re: Russian ? silver ?

I think that the factory of Ксимантовский (КSIMANTOVSKУ). Silver plated. Накладное серебро.
by Mart
Wed Oct 06, 2021 8:46 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

The stamp itself guarantees that the product has been tested in a certain district assay office and that the specified sample is authentic. The surname of the assayer who put the stamp is not indicated.
by Mart
Wed Oct 06, 2021 4:54 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

The state controlled the assay chambers and their employees. Control of the correct silver sample is one of the tasks of the assayers. If the sample was not correct when checking in the assay chamber, then the product should have been broken and the assayers did the remelting. There is no punishment...
by Mart
Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:52 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

I have answered all the questions already.
"...Ivan Sergejevich Lebedkin was ... an assayer in Moscow 1898-1914..."
He was never an assayer.
"....If Lebedkin was not a goldsmith, he still had a punch (how come?)..."
He was never a goldsmith.
by Mart
Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:21 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

Is it bad when the information is correct? I don't see any reason to continue this topic either, because there are no questions for me here. 1. Yes, the 17th century, but I wrote not about the assay statute, but about punishments for speculating with gold and silver. 2. Almost all Russian probirers,...
by Mart
Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:28 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

Thanks! I felt like a primary school student))). I'll try again. I have already written several times that Lebedkin was not an assayer, but was the manager of the Moscow assay district. And it is. I know Lebedkin's life step by step. He never branded the products himself. He was the boss. That's all...
by Mart
Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:48 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

I probably don't understand your question or it's translation difficulties. Who is the "assayer" for you? In Russian there are concepts assayer, assay master, probirer, controller of samples, manager of the assay chamber, manager of the assay district, etc. (пробирный мастер, пробирщик, ко...
by Mart
Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:19 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

Earlier I spoke only about Lebedkin's profession. He was never an assayer (пробирер). He was the manager of the Moscow assay district (управляющий московским пробирным округом) and he himself never held a hammer in his hands.))) His initials are on the stamp, of course. The words about the snuffbox ...
by Mart
Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:57 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: unknown silver piece
Replies: 7
Views: 1673

Re: unknown silver piece

Thanks! I had no information for 1860. Information for 1860 was probably submitted in 1859.
by Mart
Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:25 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

Like Mart already mentioned; Ivan Sergejevich Lebedkin was an official (public servant), an assayer in Moscow 1898-1914. That means that the maker cannot be Gennady Aleksejeff (1854-1883). The maker ГА is Gerasim Afanasjeff 1896-1917 in Moscow. Lebedkin has never been an assayer. He was the manager...
by Mart
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:48 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: unknown silver piece
Replies: 7
Views: 1673

Re: unknown silver piece

...However, Odessa's town mark was earlier a burning cross but later (1843-1848) an anchor headed with a double headed eagle. ....The maker's mark could be an abbreviation of Николай сантамария (Nikolay Santamaria (P#3171)) known to have worked in Odessa 1848... The coat of arms of Odessa was an an...
by Mart
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:41 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: unknown silver piece
Replies: 7
Views: 1673

Re: unknown silver piece

Thanks! I have to understand why you didn't immediately show this photo, which is more informative.)))
by Mart
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:34 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Ivan Lebedkin
Replies: 22
Views: 3630

Re: Ivan Lebedkin

Ivan Lebedkin has never been a silversmith. He was a government employee.
The silversmith is Gennady Alekseev (ГА) from Moscow.
by Mart
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:24 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: unknown silver piece
Replies: 7
Views: 1673

Re: unknown silver piece

Most likely it is the city of Odessa. The mark of the master "Н.САНТ" N.Santamaria. The second part of the 1840s.
Can you show the brand on the second product?
by Mart
Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: Set of 12 tea spoons ? in old russian style ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2592

Re: Set of 12 tea spoons ? in old russian style ?

When the topic is spoons, the best candidate is Ivan Andreev (Matryona Andreeva's husband). Perhaps Ivan Alexandrov.
If you manage to see the brand "ИA" under the mark "ИХ", then perhaps the spoons were sold in Khlebnikov's store.

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