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Hi Zilver2, Thanks for sharing this information. I recently came into 3 piece tea or coffee service with this mark and am wondering if you have the active working period for this mark? So far I have found a few pieces with general attributions to the 20th century, and 1-2 saying late 19th century. m...

This next post is just me having a bit of fun with some supplementary info I found today. If it can ever be validated that this plate was originally of plain form, it opens up an interesting possibility. According to a previous post by Silvermakersmarks, the date mark on this plate would have been i...

Thanks Trev,

Even though we haven't been able to draw any concrete conclusions, I appreciate that you had a look.

Nice catch AG2012.

Yes the comment on the website mentions:

"A similar mark without stop registered Jan 1885".

This is a good candidate.

Hello and welcome to the forum. The mark you are having difficulty identifying is a leopard's head which means the object was assayed in London. You have correctly identified the year, 1897, and the 925/1000 silver. Silvermakersmarks.co.uk shows that Mary Chawner's mark was first registered in 1834....

One variation of the theory above is that only the outer rim was salvaged from the original dinner plate, and the center of the plate is a new addition. In this variation, the reshaping of the rim and the addition of the gadroon border occur as above, but instead of inverting the center of the plate...

Thanks Trev, Yes something is definitely not right here. There is very slight but noticeable distortion to the Royal Arms, indicating this surface was flat when engraved, and then formed at a later date. The distortion is less than expected, but hallmarks located in the creases of other dinner plate...

Hi Trev, Something that is still troubling me is that I haven't been able to find a single example of another British coat of arms engraved underneath any object (dinner plates, meat dishes, candlesticks, tankards, mugs, covered serving dishes, etc.), let alone the Royal Arms. It is also unusual tha...

After a lengthy discussion with other members of the forum, I need to retract the assertion that I laid out in the previous post regarding all plates being reshaped in the 18th and 19th centuries to keep up with the fashion of the day. See topic - Reshaping of English Dinner Plates and Serving Plate...

I present some new information that aligns with Trev's assertion: ...items submitted would have the minimum amount of work applied and sent in to the office in the 'rough'. No doubt in this case, plates would likely be no more than flat discs when sent in, and if passed, only then would the major wo...

Thank you both for your excellent contributions to this discussion. With these comments, it can be established that the plates were certainly shaped after assay. The question now becomes whether the plates were shaped this way when originally completed, or if they were re-shaped at a later date. Bas...

Regarding the location of the engraving, it appears that the custom at the time was to lay these Hanoverian spoons face down on the table. The Royal Cipher is engraved so that it will be facing upwards when placed at a table setting. Royal Cipher of Queen Anne within the Order of the Garter in this ...

William III plate by Samuel Hood, London, c1697 Note the awkward maker's mark located in the crevice of the border, and also what appears to be tool marks around the lobed shapes. https://i.imgur.com/BRSbDO8.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/VF7JWEA.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/RplGaH4.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.co...

George I plate by David Tanqueray, London, 1724 Note the awkward mark location in the crevice of the border. https://i.imgur.com/H2maL2Y.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/y66jHuM.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/bnnDtnx.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/RVhtzzx.jpg

Hi AG2012, Thank you for the counter viewpoint, you have presented some problems for my thesis. I must first admit that my knowledge of silversmithing techniques is limited. My assumption was that the process for reshaping the plate from a plain border to a complicated border was accomplished strict...

There is a well documented history of English silverware being reworked at a later date ( See topic - 17th century English spoons reworked in the 19th century ). After a comprehensive search, I am convinced with near certainty that all Queen Anne plates of this form were originally plain and were la...

Here is an example of a set of plates with gadrooned borders that were submitted to the LAO and came back with 2020 LAO additions marks for improper alterations. The old marks were not defaced (see below). Before drawing any conclusions: These plates may not be a typical case of reshaping. Shown in ...

I just noticed that John white is coincidentally the maker of the reshaped gadrooned plate from the original post and also the maker of the plain plate from the most recent post.

⋅ Is the reshaping assessment based on the style and gadrooned border, or some evidence of alteration not shown in the picture? ⋅ Are any plates from c1710 with this gadrooned form original to the period or have they all been reshaped? ⋅ If so, why is reshaping only me...

Here is an example that corroborates the previous assertion: Three Britannia silver dinner plates marked for London, 1707 (Thomas Burridge?). The marks are located underneath the rim, where the transition in the shape occurs. It would not be possible for the marks to have been punched in this locati...