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by Hephaistos
Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:53 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

To Zolotnik The only reason for Hephaistos to intervene in the thread EP and J.KOPF was to shed some light to a very intricate and still irritating puzzle. On that track, in this respected forum, has been presented own investigations, references to almost all available sources and a thorough stamp a...
by Hephaistos
Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:34 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Back a little to basics. What have been done is a try to link the occurrence, and frequent occurrence, of the silversmith EP in St P in combination with, on one hand the peculiar stamp S.P.BURG, and on the other Joseph Kopf. EP is a mass producer of tableware, including serving sets, and S.P. BURG a...
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:04 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

This horse-track is riding into something like consensus now, apparently EP, S.P.BURG and Kopf had something in common, and maybe that is not only a curiosity, it tells about merchandizing silver wherever the market seemed undersupplied, and that was exactly the case in the Russian province Estonia ...
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:45 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Sorry, a mishap, ten items before 1918 !!!!, which still makes my point valid that he never produced any tableware or similar, before he mechanized 1928.
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:35 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Now back to the red thread, the EP, S.P.BURG and Joseph Kopf puzzle. One contributor said here to the audience; - Learn from history. It is a good advice and to add to that maybe one should say: - learn from details, exemptions, anomalies, and base all that on facts. It is hard to look beside the Es...
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:44 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Wonderful pictures and how naive Kopf was in selecting engravers who did not have much of artistic touch, but trying to mirror the impression of medieval Reval (Tallinn). The tower of the city wall in two of the pictures is Margareta, normally addressed not thick, worse than that; Fat Margareta. You...
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:22 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Hi Zolotnik and Qrt.S and all of you, Qrts, of course this is a little puzzling, and Zolotnik has paved the way into the art of falsification, which is maybe the first reaction if the origin and sequence of stamps is not self-explanatory. I am holding a little more modest position; we are talking of...
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:49 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Two teaspoons, at first sight identical, fiddle handles, shoulders, egg-formed bowl, standard design as we have seen amounts of. But minor differences. Spoon 1, length 14 cm, weight 21 grams (1.5 grams per cm) stamped (who is surprised) assaying 1908- onwards, S.P.BURG in Cyrillic and EP. Spoon 2, l...
by Hephaistos
Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:23 am
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

I think the ship is safely docked and moored, point taken, but i almost forgot a final rope, one item that belonged to the same assembly as the earlier described. Serving spoon, big, weight 120 grams, typical fiddle, shoulders, egg-formed bowl. Engraved with owners initials in Latin letters TR, indi...
by Hephaistos
Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:56 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Hi, Zolotnik, Qrt.S and other interested in this maybe a little academic, or at least, in details, a little technological discussion. My comments to Zolotnik: No one believes in any business after the revolution in silver trade between Tallinn and St P, neither into any destination, as well as no on...
by Hephaistos
Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:17 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

Now, forget about the soup ladle, and let us find out some more. 6 silver spoons, marked EP (in Cyrillic), S.P.BURG and the St P assaying from 1908, which we all know of, following this thread. Most interesting, engraved with owners initials Latin OW (or WO). In this context, where all these items b...
by Hephaistos
Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:41 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

A soup ladle. Silver, not guilt. Stamps of EP (in cyrillic), Assayers stamps of St P 1908- and….. I.KOPF. As the manufacturing capacity of the Russian province of Estonia was insufficient; St P suppliers had the chase forms and market dominance. It was first in the 1920:ies Joseph Kopf, after the co...
by Hephaistos
Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:55 pm
Forum: Russian Silver
Topic: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon
Replies: 70
Views: 36642

Re: ЕП and "I. KOPF." mark on a spoon

How much do we know about tableware cross-trading between Estonia, at that time a province of Russia, and St Petersburg the capital of the empire? Following little observation might contribute. 5 table spoons, stamped GW for Georg Wullf, Tallinn (active 1838-1882, this pieces made before the shift o...

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