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Hi David,

Welcome to the Forum.

Trev.

I believe that these marks began to be used in the period that Lawrence made King's Pattern silver. The first mention of this pattern was in 1827 in an ... s premises. I believe that Waldek probably was an apprentice of Twentyman.
LT used other marks during this same period, which is unusual.
David

Good evening
I have 2 identical teaspoons by the Cape Silversmith, Lawrence Twentyman. Is there any information on what period he used this set of Pseudo hallmarks.
My brother-in-law owns and live on the farm once owned by Lawrence Twentyman here in South Africa. Farm is called Avontuur and is near ...

9 August 1852 Lawrence Holme Twentyman of the City of London and of Walthamstow in the County of Essex Merchant will proved at London. While all of his children received generous bequests, his estate largely went to his wife Elizabeth Henrieta and his son Lawrence Burrell Twentyman. His partner in the ...

Hi,
I believe the marks are those of Lawrence Twentyman of Capetown, South Africa.
Regards, Tom

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Thank you for the information. Are there a way to date this spoon? I went back and got its identical mate immediately after I ...

Hi,
I believe the marks are those of Lawrence Twentyman of Capetown, South Africa.
Regards, Tom

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Hi All - a table spoon from Lawrence Twentyman - Cape Town C1830 - with an unusual lyre hallmark.
Regards Frank

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Hi Martin,

Well, it must be the Cape, and I presume Lawrence Twentyman, but I've never seen his mark with that typical style of Cape marking before, his mark is usually found with pseudos.

Hopefully someone else can tell us more.

Trev.

... Born: 16th December 1813
Baptised: 26th December 1813
Apprenticed to: Lawrence Twentyman
Married: (I) Maria Brink - 21st June 1835
Married: (II) Elizabeth Johanna de Wet - 6th February 1844

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Sometimes questions of honor revolved around hats; lifting one's hat ...

... It was believed the stub and associated fly press was imported by Lawrence Twentyman and used by a number of Cape silversmiths, but that Waldek probably took over Twentyman's concerns. Welz shows this as mark 165 and has his working dates as 1830 to 1877.

Regards Frank
PS sorry if I am pushing ...

... by a supplier to the trade. David argues convincingly that this was Lawrence Twentyman. Waldek may have taken over the marks after Twentyman left SA.

I have the same incuse M mark on a fiddle pattern salt spoon that is also marked with the pseudos used by Lodewyk Beck.

I suspect the M relates to ...

... post these table forks showing the marks of prolific Cape silversmith Lawrence Twentyman - Weltz 135. And unusually in the kings pattern. Of course the question I suspect really is whether he made them or imported them from one of the bigger concerns in London or Sheffield and simply put his mark on ...

A death notice for Lawrence Holme Twentyman was published in 'The Gentleman's Magazine' for 1852:

8th June, At Walthamstow, Essex, aged 59, Lawrence Holme Twentyman, esq.

And in the 'Gentleman's Magazine and Historical Review' for 1857:

22nd October, At Wimbledon, Surrey, aged 55, Elizabeth ...

Hello Frank,

Welz numbers the illustrations of Lawrence Twentyman’s marks from 131 to 149 in his book. The mark on your piece is 138. If these are chronological then this marks comes around the middle of his time working in the Cape. However, I suspect that this is not the case and they are randomly ...

Hello Gentlemen,

Welz, rather appropriately, lists 20 marks for Lawrence Twentyman, one of which is the mark on your piece.

Paul.

Hi Frank,

I don't have a copy of Lawrence Holme Twentyman's mark to hand at the moment, but I do remember that he used the 'LT' mark and pseudo English marks, so it could well be his mark.

If I remember rightly Paulh has a copy of Weltz's book, so he will, I'm sure, confirm or deny.

In the meantime ...

... Thomas Lock..........Goldsmith & Jeweller.....17, Strand Street
Twentyman, Lawrence..................Watchmaker.............30, Heeregragt
Wilson, William.............................Watchmaker........22a, Langemarkt St.
Wolhuter, G.E...............................Silversmith...............13 ...

... There is a small mention of a torrid time being had by William Holme Twentyman (the brother of Lawrence Holme Twentyman) while his shop was under siege.

' Mr. Twentyman, a jeweller, persisted in keeping his shop open; he was assaulted day after day, night after night; sentries were placed there as ...

Hi there

I have no interest in silver, but I do know about the two Twentyman silversmiths.

They are from two completely different families and are ... he came into the trade through this connection.

The ancestors of Lawrence Holme Twentyman are from Liverpool - coopers and sailors, but they ...

Hi,

William Holme Twentyman (LHT's Brother) who was also a silversmith was born in Liverpool on 31st October 1802. It appears he left the Cape in the ... Pinch) and resided there for at least 2 1/2 years as his son William Lawrence Twentyman was born there on the 12th December 1834 (d. 17-12-1888, Oran ...