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by Traintime
Thu May 30, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Mystery Objects
Topic: Salt cellar from Africa or Asia??? Or???
Replies: 7
Views: 532

Re: Salt cellar from Africa or Asia??? Or???

How about the Komodo Dragon, an Indonesian monitor lizard?
by Traintime
Thu May 23, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

I'm not so sure about "Eagles" myself. Would be nice if they were proto-Eagles leading toward the psuedo-hallmark designs of Eagle Head boxed and thence full-bird encircled, but that would be tough to prove. Tried some more shots to pick up details: https://i.postimg.cc/XNwtx5B2/image.jpg ...
by Traintime
Wed May 22, 2019 5:01 am
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: ??AYRES PITTSBURGH Berry Spoon
Replies: 11
Views: 2389

Re: ??AYRES PITTSBURGH Berry Spoon

For reference, some information on the use of right facing (tufted?) eagle head bearing in mind late-Colonial New York source: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=27979&p=68375&hilit=eagle+colonial#p68375
by Traintime
Wed May 22, 2019 1:04 am
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

And the recent "R. Parker Eagle Back": viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52996
by Traintime
Wed May 22, 2019 12:17 am
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Good question! I took it to be something fairly innocuous, but upon reflection it might relate to events surrounding the revolution or the Federalist movement. It's highly reflective so I'll try to re-shoot the bird in better light. The head has a trailing comb that swoops back and upward...like a g...
by Traintime
Mon May 20, 2019 3:35 am
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

More Warner family bio (at page 15) notes Joseph and his sons as boat operators and commercial traders, with not one word of silversmithing mentioned: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wynkoop/genealogy/webdocs/warnerfn.htm There are also dentistry industry references for John Warner gold & silvers...
by Traintime
Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 am
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Photos of Joseph Warner marks showing variations with dual (over-under) pellets: http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~silversm ... /53223.htm

WEV placed additional bio material on SilverSalon Forums.
by Traintime
Mon May 20, 2019 2:09 am
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Re: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

Fits the written description. Pellet is present, appears to sit slightly above centered here. I'm seeing working period of 1768-1792.
by Traintime
Sun May 19, 2019 10:23 pm
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl
Replies: 13
Views: 770

Spoon "I Warner" Boxed w/Bird Back Bowl

The "I" remains questionable. Feel free to deport Mr. Warner to any other forum or banish him to the neverlands of platers if need be. TIA https://i.postimg.cc/BbVp9P87/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8P7wd432/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/15bBv61f/image.jpg
by Traintime
Sun May 19, 2019 1:28 am
Forum: Silver Plate Trademarks - Single Image
Topic: M, fleur de lis, crown over C hallmark
Replies: 18
Views: 19006

Re: M, fleur de lis, crown over C hallmark

New Klew! Mark on tray was accompanied by original foil sticker brand name of "Eton" (Oh, the other school!). No country of origin specified, so (? ?) a domestic North American source not intended for export? Sticker was blue & silver.
by Traintime
Fri May 17, 2019 5:35 pm
Forum: Silverplate Trademarks - Worldwide
Topic: WMF Modell for Deco Forks
Replies: 3
Views: 377

Re: WMF Modell for Deco Forks

Many thanks, Bahner! Was thereafter able to find a citation in a listing indicating the original "Metallkunst" (Brohan-Museum Berlin Katalog 1990) as S.574-575. [I see in older threads that Metallkunst der Moderne/Modern Art of Metalwork (2001) dropped the flatware listings, to be issued s...
by Traintime
Thu May 16, 2019 10:21 pm
Forum: Other Countries
Topic: Silver Muffineer / Caster Origin Country & Age
Replies: 4
Views: 336

Re: Silver Muffineer / Caster Origin Country & Age

Mark 1 could be s448 (crown). Not sure, but Mark 2 might be a poor version of s455.
by Traintime
Thu May 16, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Other Countries
Topic: Silver Muffineer / Caster Origin Country & Age
Replies: 4
Views: 336

Re: Silver Muffineer / Caster Origin Country & Age

Anyone see possible Hanau Psuedo s449 "Chalice" w/dots in right mark...one dot clear at top (or right) and one obscurred? Bottom (or left) dots not readable.
by Traintime
Thu May 16, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Silverplate Trademarks - Worldwide
Topic: WMF Modell for Deco Forks
Replies: 3
Views: 377

WMF Modell for Deco Forks

Yes, Art Deco is an abused term...but these panels seem to fit like artistic window frames. And a go-go monogram that could have suited a Swing Band. Standard 90 process with 30 grams per dozen. Do we have a pattern number available? https://i.postimg.cc/xCH411Hm/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/NFkCR...
by Traintime
Thu May 16, 2019 3:51 pm
Forum: Provincial & Colonial Marks
Topic: Provincial tablespoon but from where?
Replies: 4
Views: 276

Re: Provincial tablespoon but from where?

I wouldn't trust my own opinions, but they look like rubbed out crowns to me.
by Traintime
Thu May 16, 2019 3:44 pm
Forum: Coin Silversmiths ~ American pre-1860
Topic: Mystery caddy Spoon - Provincial?
Replies: 9
Views: 3119

Re: Mystery caddy Spoon - Provincial?

An afterthought on marks alone (not object style)...blurred eagles (looking rubbed) are often found for New York and Philadelphia (or Pennsy) makers and this question has come from New York.

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