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thanks very much for your interest and continued help with this piece. yesterday I have found a similar cup on web, but much finer, with a readable niello tugra in same position, very similar calligraphic cartouches, with similar translations. it was in a Christies interiors sale, south ken. London....

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Thank you very much for your comprehensive knowledge. I have been over the cup with a strong magnifying glass and cannot find any additional marks. from what you say I presume the cup was made after the ottoman empire. would you agree that the script mark is Van? without a silver mark I am presuming...

thanks for the replies. close up of star . looks like the all seeing eye underneath possibly?

adding the new closeup of marks. thank you

new pics http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y464/dudleywardantqs/P1010481640x480_zpsb4c3f957.jpg http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y464/dudleywardantqs/P1010478640x480_zps34b326e5.jpg http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y464/dudleywardantqs/P1010477640x375_zps5a018ea6.jpg http://i1276.photobucket...

thanks for reply. yes I will photograph again. had problems with image size and lost definition as well. do you think any of the marks could be Armenian or Russian as there is a 'U' with scroll. just a shot in the dark.

hello, I'm new to forum. have this small engraved and niello cup with bird on handle I don't much understand. the 3 marks are on the inside of base around a raised threaded stud and one of the panels seems to have a martial emblem, possibly with crescents on tips of flags. diam. of bowl is 5.2 cms. ...